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[Lenglon]

GriffDay: you have a solid rebel read on Dariush? why?

[griffinpup]

GriffDay:  Do you think NQT attempted to communicate?

[griffinpup]

And a warning.  I'll be gone Thursday and Friday.

[birdy51]

Also tentative replacement -- Just in advance, I'm pretty sure workload will increase exponentially and my lack of sleep won't be helping. 

Tentative due to the fact that if birdy can't find any in the next few days, I'll still be playing as normal upon announcement, but I'm pretty unsure about my physical strength..bluh.

Keep me updated if you can.

If you need to replace, I will begin the process then promptly. Your well-being is a bit more important than this game. Get some rest if you need it!


Also, a vote update.

6 out of 8 votes have been received. Voting ends on Thursday the 11th at 10PM EST

[griffinpup]

Finally got time to do at least a partial reread.
NQT:

Dariush is out until I know more about the trustworthiness of Nerjin and Griffpup. Ranger has requested replacement so probably isn't paying attention to the game. That leaves Remuthra as our fourth man. Does this sound like an acceptable team?

So you're OK with putting 2 untrustworthy people on the team, but don't want anything to do with the person that put them there?  Why?

Damn, you make a point about the unanimousness-- ultimately, we gain information about the trustworthiness of Dariush even if he's not on the team,

So what information did you get about the trustworthiness of Dariush from the failure of the mission you put together?

Did you ever respond to these posts with anything other then a vague "I'm busy"?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

In what situation? The one now or after a mission? Because I'll have a lot of ground to work for if I get to pick. >_>

And I've noted that you aren't still making note of what recently happened, NQT :/

NQT

EBWOP-- I meant Remuthra as the obvious suspect (I mix up the players in my head just as I always conflate Deathsword with Toaster), but frankly if there was only one scum on the first mission there's good reason to lie low so in my mind Nerjin and Griffpup are almost equally as suspicious.

Yeah? Why @underlined part. Also, how is your reasoning making sense when you prod out Nerjin and Griffinpup? Usually, you also include yourself with a self-conflicting statement that puts everyone equally at suspicion, but then you prod everyone else.

What's up, my leader?

NQT kneels down in the ashes of his breakfast, howls up into the rain, crying "NOOOOOO!!!" as the camera slowly pans up and out.

Okay, thinking about this logically-- there was either one, two or three scum on this last mission (my bet is one as there was only one sabotage vote and no way to confer), Griffpup is an obvious suspect but we can't rule out the possibility of scum lying low on the first mission. Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

Who do you think you'll pick for the next mission Griffpup, and why?

Why is he any different from Griffinpup, who wasn't even on the team? Why'd you mix up their names?

Why do I and TWS get town points, sir? Could you explain that?

Also, NQT, you seem to be lurking quite a bit.  Not only have you posted SUBSTANTIALLY less then everyone else, (according to the lurkertracker) you have far less content per post then the average player.  If there was ever an example of lurking, you'd be it.  Explain yourself.

I think that I'll be downvoting this team.  If I had more time, I'd expand on this right now, but as it is I'll probably have to wait till Monday.

[Lenglon]

ok, I've got some time, and today was a good day. Finally got my head clear I think, so time for some cases.

First of all, I'll review the thing I'm most sure of right now, that NQT is a spy.

NQT over the course of the entire game has totaled the same number of posts as Past Me. 13 14 15(two more than Past Me, sorry)Zombie Urist your tracker is losing posts 13 and 14 of NQT's, linked Here and Here. This is the LurkerTracker config I'm using.

Week 1, he has exactly one post.
in this post, he answers the RVS questions directed to him, states that he's never going to approve a randomly selected team except the first one, for the reason of the first team is too small to hide in. he asks zero questions of anyone else.

Week 2, he posts 1, 2, 3, 4 times before the team is locked, including the team lock post. during these he says:
(post 1)"Dariush is out until I know more about the trustworthiness of Nerjin and Griffpup." he never explains this further.
(post 3)"Dariush to me is a bit too much of a risk factor due to the questionable method of random picking, but if everyone would prefer him to Remuthra I'll put him forward." followed by his communication to his scumbuddies.
(post 4)"Damn, you make a point about the unanimousness-- ultimately, we gain information about the trustworthiness of Dariush even if he's not on the team"
there is no follow up to this.
Post 4's timestamp is 1 hour and 40 minutes after Dariush posted his objection to being on the team.
more on why this matters later when I start talking about Dariush, just keep these in mind for now please.

the rest of his posts do not seem as significant to me as his first 5, or more accurately posts 1, 2, 4, and 5. post 3 and posts 6 and onward seem meaningless to me beyond taking note of what they do not contain.

now then, I do suggest reviewing the posts I didn't bother to link using LurkerTracker, because there is a pattern too them that is a key part of why I am so sure he is scum. He is consistantly very minimalistic. Every time he speaks, he says what he has to say in a very concise manner. He doesn't go off topic. He doesn't speculate on items at random. He always keeps it as small as possible. This is not a scumtell in of itself, but it means that the few times that he does stray from the subject at hand, particularly when he lists off a strategy for how to avoid double-sabotages, it is worth paying extra attention. go to post 3, and start backtracking please. look for any kind of prompt. Why would he say that? Was anyone talking about it earlier? What does it have to do with anything else being said? you aren't going to find anything. Look at all twelve other posts for any time he says anything, at all, without prompting. here, I'll list off the few times he does:
Post 1) "In general I am opposed to teams that don't have the mission leader on them and pro teams that I am on. Given the flip up here, I've decided to assent to this initial team, bu I'd understand if others didn't."
Post 2) << too long for me to be happy quoting, he lists off every possible combination of scum/non-scum as related to Dariush being scum. no follow-up analysis for explanation for why it matters is given>>
Post 4) <<How for scum to avoid double-sabotages>>
Post 8 ) <<flavor complaining about a sabotage, says there were 1-3 scum on mission with no analysis, townie points to Tiruin and Sheep for the downvote>>

that's it. and I am choose to discard posts 2 and 8, because they were in reaction to a mission being concluded. I also choose to discard post 1 from the list, because it is him justifying an upvote for a team that is condemns in a question he answer later in the same post.

this leaves post 4, and ONLY post 4, where he says anything beyond the bare bones. and the only thing he adds is how for scum to avoid a double-sabotage.

in addition to all of the above, notice his reaction to being called out on this, his massive lurking, his statements about how he is going to do things by the numbers, which then never materialize. he says he's going to analyze the votes and mission teams and suchlike, and yet such an analysis never, ever, materializes. you want to know who is actually doing things by the numbers? Griffonday.

there is NO, i repeat, absolutely NO, doubt in my mind, that NQT is a spy. I consider anything he has to say beyond this point in the game pure WIFOM. From my viewpoint, he might as well confess already for all that it matters anymore. I cannot see any way all the above actions can possibly coincide with him being a Rebel.
Now then, next up to bat, Dariush.

Taking as fact that NQT is a spy, we now get some interesting interaction details from him. Remember those quotes I pointed out in his week 2 pre-team-lock posts? They can collectively be summarized as "I want to take the same team as week 1 + anyone that isn't Dariush".
additionally, notice the timing on when he chose to communicate to his scumbuddies. The post he does it in is the same post where he budges on the "Should I include Dariush?" issue.
and then, when Dariush responds to the situation, and doesn't give any kind of signal acknowledging the message, NQT IMMEDIATELY backtracks on his previous statement, and locks the team. He allows zero chance for discussion beyond this point. the day started 45 hours before this post, nobody (including the GM) had prodded him to hurry up either, which means that NQT was in a hurry for reasons of his own, not because he was running low on time to pick his team.
In other words, he didn't want people to have a chance to force him to include Dariush on his team.

next, lets take a look at Dariush himself, rather then how NQT fingered him:
Week 1) only thing I found noteworthy is that he doesn't include himself in his randomly selected team. doesn't mean much.
Week 2) he predicts the upcoming sabotage of the team.
Week 3, Day 1) he has a long drawn-out fight with Sheep, justifying why he didn't include himself in his randomly selected team. he implies that scum will sabotage week 1, and that it is better to get the first sabotage over with than to minimize the risk of a spy on the first team by self-including, although he never says it directly.
Week 3, Day 2) he attacks GriffPup for calling out NQT on communicating, and dodges my question when I ask him how he would communicate. his activity level also sharply declines from earlier. previously he was posting every day, skipping one or two, but his last four posts were on: June 30, July 3, July 7, and July 9.
Due to lurkertracker failing on NQT's posts above, please let me know if I missed some of Dariush's, since I was using it for his as well and haven't done as much backtracking to find his by hand.

My case on Dariush is much weaker than my case on NQT, but the problem is, NQT had to be communicating to someone, and the timing for when he did it strongly fingers Dariush.
Finally, for completeness I could restate my case on Tiruin, but I've done that over and over lately, this post is already huge, and it's the case of mine that is the lowest on evidence and highest on emotion. and I don't think I can persuade any of you by listing off emotions.
Currently Unanswered questions of mine:
NQT:

Lenglon

NQT: why did you vote up a team containing GriffPup and yourself when GriffPup was on the team that was sabotaged?

The possibility of Griffpup being a spy was outweighed by my certainty that I'm not a spy. Did I get the probabilities wrong here?

NQT: please either re-answer the question or explain what you meant. only one spy is needed for a team to become invalid, the possibility of one of a team's members being a spy cannot be outweighed by the odds of another member of that team not being a spy. the answer you gave me is utter nonsense.

I don't really care if you don't bother to answer by the way, I'm just trying to be thorough.
Tiruin:

Tiruin: could you summarize what you thought of Nerjin then, and what you think of Nerjin now? He was the only person not on the team you upvoted that was on both teams you downvoted.

Nerjin:

Nerjin: your comments to me have been implying that GriffPup's scummyness is self-evident. Currently, to me, it is not. Could you please re-state your case against him?

GriffDay:

GriffDay: what are your objections to GriffPup?

GriffDay: you have a solid rebel read on Dariush? why?

Dariush:

Dariush: please answer the question I asked, rather than respond to a general-form objection to your post. I read GriffPup's post quite thoroughly thank you very much.

New Questions:
Dariush: above, my comment about you from Week 3, Day 1, is it accurate?
Sheep: I am having trouble following why you think Tiruin is scum, and your analysis of her seems unrelated to my own. could you please explain it to me?
GriffPup: You may be too low on time to explain why you're downvoting this team in full, but could you please list which players on the team you consider a problem? even if you can't give an explanation for why they're problems at this time?

[Nerjin]

Nerjin:

Nerjin: your comments to me have been implying that GriffPup's scummyness is self-evident. Currently, to me, it is not. Could you please re-state your case against him?

Thing is that I don't really think GriffPup IS a scum. I was saying that there were other reasons for NQT's behavior or perhaps Pups. But with all that laid in front of me plus what I've been thinking of I'm inclined to agree that NQT is likely scum. Dariush... not so sure of.

[Dariush]

Lenglon:

Dariush: please answer the question I asked, rather than respond to a general-form objection to your post. I read GriffPup's post quite thoroughly thank you very much.

So, you read his post. Did you somehow fail to notice his large bold text explaining a valid sabotage-clash-avoiding scheme because it wasn't all italic and purple and shitRPy? Because that is the part I was referring to. I think that that was the way he communicated to you and his second scumbuddy (who is probably TWS).

Dariush: above, my comment about you from Week 3, Day 1, is it accurate?

...which one of them?

TWS:

Also:

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

Huh, I thought I answered it.

Have you heard about such a thing as 'lie'? As 'deceit'? Have you considered the possibility that scum won't always upvote every team that contains a spy and downvote every team that doesn't? That they would want to look town? I realize that this possibility is extremely miniscule (because which spies don't want to be caught, duh), but I still think that it is worthy of consideration.

What are your reasons for suspecting me?

In no specific order: the post I answered above, the absolutely idiotic Occam's Razor argument, demanding everyone's answers to a question about D1 laying low as spy (which spies have no reason to answer truthfully) before locking in your team, ignoring everything said and locking in your team unchanged, the idiotic idea of one spy (Remuthra) trying to push another spy (me) onto the team because I'm more experienced

GP:
I'm tired of your stupidity. You keep throwing the same accusations at me and ignore everything I answer or ask of you. You blatantly copy-pasted Lenglon's question before I even had the chance to answer it. You went from thinking I'm town to absolute certainty I'm a spy for the oh-so-very-scummy reason of accusing you (hint: that's called OMGUS. Go read up on it) of being scum. You ignored my question about intentionally provoking me by twisting my name. You actually quoted it and agreed that this is a scumtell, but then made no explanation for you behaviour whatsoever. You put words of my mouth about NQT being guaranteed town (he isn't), spy NQT being smarter (he isn't) and so on. You completely ignore the possibility of scum lying low (I infer this from the fact that you say with absolute certainty that there was exactly one scum on the failed mission). You say that 'scum doesn't have to catch [the words] for town to find an attempt to communicate'. But in this case, why would scum reveal themselves if it won't even help them? My argument that doing what NQT did isn't something scum would do is that it makes no sense from the scum perspective. Doing what you did makes complete sense.

[Lenglon]

Sigh
Dariush: please answer the question already. Twice now all you've done is tell me you think the way GriffPup accused NQT was scummy, how would you have made the accusation to avoid the problems you're complaining about? I'm really quite tired of you dodging the question so blatantly and poorly. Spy or Rebel, you're better than this.

Dariush:

Dariush: above, my comment about you from Week 3, Day 1, is it accurate?

...which one of them?

Week 3, Day 1) he has a long drawn-out fight with Sheep, justifying why he didn't include himself in his randomly selected team. he implies that scum will sabotage week 1, and that it is better to get the first sabotage over with than to minimize the risk of a spy on the first team by self-including, although he never says it directly.

that one.
Is it accurate?

[TheWetSheep]

Tiruin:

TWS

What? I did address it to you. Right here. Nerjin just didn't quote that part.

No you didn't. You didn't even follow it up but throw out blank accusations without explaining it more.

You didn't even link it right.

Oh, yeah, sorry about the link. But yes, it was addressed to you. It was under the part labeled "Tiruin". And what's there to follow up? I called you out on it, what more could I have said?

a. Explaining why and how.
b. Addressing Lenglon, who was also interested in that notion.
c. Expounding on that 'slip' and what constitutes a slip. Why am I 'trying hard', when there is no stimulus for me to try hard to achieve.
d. Reasons.

Because that recent post of yours? Screams evading the question with a rational answer. Your answers do make sense, but lacking.

Holistically lacking.

What's there to follow up? Your case. You can't just call someone out and assume it's bound in stone because 'Hey everyone! She slipped. Here.' Discuss?

This is quite the crucial mistake you're making for one who has caught a slip of the tongue, aye?

Or maybe I must simplify it. Are you going to ask me in the face your case for that being a slip, or are you going to prod everyone else on a paltry notion which you can't even address to your recipient?

OK, you're right. Here.

-You said you couldn't remember whether there were 3 or 4 spies.
-You were in the last game.
-In the last game there were 9 players and 3 spies
-In this game there are 8 players, so there wouldn't be more spies than last game
-4 spies would mean half the players are spies, making them just as powerful a voting force as rebels

So it doesn't really make sense for there to be four spies. Furthermore(this is just going off of what I know about me) it seems like it wouldn't be too hard for you to just think and remember that there are 3 spies, instead of having to check on it later.

No stimulus to try to achieve? Of course there is. A spy wouldn't forget how many spies there are. Seems to me that if that post was genuine then you're definitely a rebel.

Were you rushed during that post?

(BTW, sorry if I misunderstand you sometimes. Your grammar is fine, but I'm just not used to the way you put things.)

REALLY now?

It's only a simple question. Nothing wrong in asking it, is there? The only right or wrong we can attribute to something is judging both processes of the communication. Answer and question.

Your answer? Something nebulous and vague to all of us. Yea, say you're a rebel. Anyone can say it. Do we know it?

No.

You want me to find reasons on you being town? Sure, I can see them, I can type them out, but those reasons don't seal your innocence, buddy. I'd like you to show them other than commit to the logical fallacy of letting the other person find them, because that falls under

Shifting the Burden of proof – 'I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false'. This explains something about you--you're expecting us to prove you innocent instead of you doing it yourself.

You need reasons. Because we can't all see you as a rebel, and it would hardly make sense if you were a rebel to even assume such. It's the simplest analogy anyone could make!

You want me to read through all my posts and find out things that point to me being a rebel, right? You're asking me to give reasons for why I put myself on the team, other than "because I got a rebel role PM"? But that doesn't make sense. When looking at other people, I can say "Oh, he wrote this and it's the kind of thing a spy wouldn't do". And that's the basis for my townie picks. But I can't do that for myself. I mean, if, during the game, I pointed out things I posted and said "Hey guys, look, I wrote this and a spy would never write that, right?" it would just induce huge amounts of WIFOM. So apart from that kind of thing, things I've done to appear townie:

-I downvoted the failed mission
-I chose people that I think are trustworthy for my team. I agree with my own picks.

And yet you base it all on Remuthra when you don't even consider poking Lenglon. Who has, and which I believe you've at least skimmed, a better analogy and grasp of concepts here.

You don't have anything on her yet, or you can't find anything on her, huh? Look back, she has quite the number of posts.

Right.

There.

Evidently more than Remuthra's posts. Can't you find anything in her posts to prod?

I doubt that. While you do agree and bring out relevant points, you don't explain your own basis on those points. Not even an 'I agree with so-and-so' on 'point a,b,c and f.'

I haven't devoted as much time as I should to looking at her, sure. I've been too caught up in defending myself to go read through and prod her, since there's a certain amount of time I want to devote to Mafia every day. I'll try to get to her soon.

What's your basis on Remuthra being scum? And why?

I can actually see him giving up as town. But what really clinches it for me is that, despite it being said in the thread that if he was town he should come back and post and try, he never did. He said he would post, but never did. That's what makes his giving up look like scum instead of town.

Surprise is something you'd like to see, huh. I don't think anyone else could see surprise there, mainly curiosity.

It would be very surprising indeed if you didn't choose at all given the context, and the lacking reasons behind them help support it. Which you don't give other than the obvious 'choosing' process.

Oh. Were you asking why I chose Nerjin specifically? It looked to me like you were saying "you gave these three people as possible options, then chose one of them. Why?". It didn't make much sense.

Would it make more sense to ask why you chose those people? I asked that, didn't I? You chose those people, and yet you lack a reasonable answer.

Yes it would, yes you did, and no I don't. How is my answer unreasonable?

Or was the matter on choosing Nerjin something you're trying to avoid until you think of something else to put down? Because other than give anything informative on the difference between Tiruin and Nerjin, you give a blank 'I choose you!' note. I mean, it's pretty obvious that you didn't trust Dariush. Why bother to repeat that? Because its all cyclic before I've to ask you to answer the important questions. Everything else not mentioned.

Anyone. Anyone would give their reasons on their choices. Any thinking Rebel would at least care on those matters. In my view, you're intentionally missing the point. Putting numerous arguments that may in themself be valid, but do not address the issue in question.

Why?

I gave reasons for trusting Nerjin more than you on that point. Namely, the "trying too hard to appear townie" thing. You seemed like too much of a risk factor. You seem to look at my posts individually and take flaws out of them individually when they're answered in other posts. Why? And what exactly is the issue in question?

Lenglon:

Sheep: I am having trouble following why you think Tiruin is scum, and your analysis of her seems unrelated to my own. could you please explain it to me?

I'm not sure Tiruin is scum; it's mostly based on this:

How isn't he? I don't see how he could've missed the cheesy fact that 3 people are misinforming, while the rest are searching to be informed. Or 4..forgot how many spies were there. Have to check on that note later.

Look at the first bit addressed to her in this post for reasoning.

Dariush:

TWS:

Also:

Tiruin and TheWetSheep get moderate town points for downvoting the mission.

No they don't. If they're town, they didn't have any way to know there would be a spy on the team any more than the rest of us.

This is some of the stupidest logic I've seen. If we were spies, though, we would want the team passed, since it had at least one spy on it.

Huh, I thought I answered it.

Have you heard about such a thing as 'lie'? As 'deceit'? Have you considered the possibility that scum won't always upvote every team that contains a spy and downvote every team that doesn't? That they would want to look town? I realize that this possibility is extremely miniscule (because which spies don't want to be caught, duh), but I still think that it is worthy of consideration.

Does this mean that no information can be gained from who votes what? I mean, sure, it's not definite, but it doesn't mean it's meaningless.

What are your reasons for suspecting me?

In no specific order: the post I answered above, the absolutely idiotic Occam's Razor argument, demanding everyone's answers to a question about D1 laying low as spy (which spies have no reason to answer truthfully) before locking in your team, ignoring everything said and locking in your team unchanged, the idiotic idea of one spy (Remuthra) trying to push another spy (me) onto the team because I'm more experienced

Addressed in order:
-Why is that scummy?
-At that point there was little activity. I was trying to add discussion.
-That was Griffionday, not me who put out the poll
-I didn't ignore what people said, and people were telling me to choose my team quickly
-Why is it idiotic?

Also, do you consider faulty logic to be a scumtell?


Hopefully I'll have time to ask more questions later.

[zombie urist]

Zombie Urist your tracker is losing posts 13 and 14 of NQT's, linked Here and Here. This is the LurkerTracker config I'm using.

I've fixed it, but I think this is caused by a deeper issue which I'll look over some time next week. Also in the future it would be nice if you guys posted in the LT thread instead of game threads because I don't usually check these.

[Tiruin]

Also tentative replacement -- Just in advance, I'm pretty sure workload will increase exponentially and my lack of sleep won't be helping. 

Tentative due to the fact that if birdy can't find any in the next few days, I'll still be playing as normal upon announcement, but I'm pretty unsure about my physical strength..bluh.

Keep me updated if you can.

If you need to replace, I will begin the process then promptly. Your well-being is a bit more important than this game. Get some rest if you need it!

I am still alive (though more melancholic ways exist that I could replace that sentence with to better describe me..) and will really post later.

Like that query from Lenglon about Nerjin.

Off the top of my proverbial hat:

Tiruin: could you summarize what you thought of Nerjin then, and what you think of Nerjin now? He was the only person not on the team you upvoted that was on both teams you downvoted.

> Nerjin was flaily (evident by my poke on him), but somehow didn't feel like a spy. I did try my subtle pricking on the side, and most of his reasons fell on RL fatigue--this doesn't spell a spy more than a townie (or a really null tell but I can't imagine people using Real Life as an excuse >.>), so he steered neutral for me and my suspicion went off to poke the rest instead of him.

Also because I really know what RL fatigue is. And I hate it. And blah blah bluh x_x

TWS

No stimulus to try to achieve? Of course there is. A spy wouldn't forget how many spies there are. Seems to me that if that post was genuine then you're definitely a rebel.

Were you rushed during that post?

(BTW, sorry if I misunderstand you sometimes. Your grammar is fine, but I'm just not used to the way you put things.)

I was working on things on memory. A memory diluted by bits and scraps of mostly everything else, and filled with schoolwork. Regardless, that was something I wrote in full clarity--null sign given how its totally separate from the discussion, and any reaction I see would check if it was worthwhile or not.

Your aggression was something of note. Because I didn't see that kind of thinking you posted rather than see what kind of results were given out.

-I downvoted the failed mission
-I chose people that I think are trustworthy for my team. I agree with my own picks.

...Why yes, I do believe I'm asking you for your own opinion on why you think you're a rebel, which deviates from the common 'I has role PM.'

Because that reason isn't rational at all if used as the only piece of evidence brought up. Something Lenglon did--except she gave reasons backing Remuthra, while though vague (shifting on him more than her side, but not lacking in either) it made sense given that we all learn part of people's personalities and I can say Lenglon is not one for lacking.

ANYWAY, how do those two things make someone town, hm? Anything else you could add?

I gave reasons for trusting Nerjin more than you on that point. Namely, the "trying too hard to appear townie" thing. You seemed like too much of a risk factor. You seem to look at my posts individually and take flaws out of them individually when they're answered in other posts. Why? And what exactly is the issue in question?

Scumhunting, on why.

The question is obvious, and the context is right there. I'm asking you a why type query on something I believe--if this is true in your eyes, you'd have answered the why part, and if not, there would be correction involved.

Next, they aren't fully answered in other posts because on the fifth paragraph, and before that, you've given no other diction on why you chose Nerjin other than poking at Dariush stating you believe him least, and less poking at me. Because in all your other posts, I don't see why you directly do not state why you'd pick me (other than the OMG SLIP you posted earlier. And even then stated there's a chance of picking me, in a real vague way) over Nerjin. Or Nerjin over the rest. Dariush is plaintively obvious, but that's something you attached to and didn't bother on explaining the rest.

Now IMO, a good leader would define his/her reasons for choosing the people on the team. You missed out Nerjin and rather attempted a redirect on me with those words. You didn't do direct comparison or address the three choices in question with a definitive attitude.

That or I'm totally missing something with you on Specific-Nerjin.

Oh PS: You're the team leader, some else to add on why I'm prodding you hard. That, and I suspect you're a spy. Emphasis on that one, if you didn't think of it.


All other paragraphs not mentioned: I either agree (nodded my head and scrolled down) or have no comment for them (scrolled down then checked back up then was amused a bit then scrolled down). The former takes priority.

[birdy51]

Rotten fruit still clings to the wall, filling the place with the wretched stench of gunpowder and decaying fruity surprise. It took a week to clean the warehouse. Top to bottom. And the stench still remains. Other scars are just as permanent.

Due to flying fruity shrapnel, Remuthra lost his right eye. An apple seed had some how managed to lodge itself in his retina. Having some basic medical training, TheWetSheep was able to repair some of damage, but now Remuthra is now permanently blind in that eye. His injuries were serious enough to have him forced from the Rebellion.

After the injuries inflicted to Remuthra, Shinigami King requested to leave the rebellion as well, for fear of such injuries himself. Having no other choice in the matter, the rest of the rebels were forced to gag and tie him up in the basement of the warehouse to prevent him from defecting to the Empire.

The weapons that were in the bottom of the fruit baskets were all either destroyed or had a fatal flaw that prevented them from being used. One had a modified barrel that caused the bullet to bounce around in the chamber when fired. Another didn't have a functioning trigger. A third was designed to misfire explosively.

Down two members and given bogus supplies, the rebels were back to square one…


Six rebels sat in the warehouse, contemplating in a tight circle. Their eyes focused on one another suspiciously. This was not the full team they were hoping for. Down two rebels, operations had drawn to a halt.

TheWetSheep, the current leader of the rebels, paced back and forth while thumbing his face. "Perhaps we should… No. Or maybe… No…" He muttered. Shaking his head, he addressed his rebel comrades with a deep frown. "We don't have the numbers to carry on operations like this..."

"Yes you do." At that very instant, two figures appeared at the threshold of the Warehouse doors.

"Some of you may know me… My name is Griffionday. I'm here to replace into the ranks."

"And I as well." A female voice added. "Call me Lenglon."

"How did you find us? Who sent you?" A delirious TheWetSheep asked, his mouth agape.

Griffionday and Lenglon glanced at one another with a sly grin, and nodded. "A little birdie told us."


However, for all the fanfare, the main issues still remained. The team had not yet been decided. As time drew to a close, TheWetSheep's proposal ultimately fell through. He was disappointed, but these things had to happen. It was the nature of the Revolution. Here, the leadership was turned over to the newest member of the Revolution.

"Alright Lenglon, show us what you can do."

Taking her rightful place upon the wooden  crate of oratory powers, Lenglon began to speak.


TheWetSheep's team:
TheWetSheep
Griffinpup
Griffionday
Nerjin

Accept:
Lenglon
TheWetSheep

Reject:
Dariush
Griffionday
Nerjin
NQT
Tiruin

Didn't vote - Reject:
Griffinpup

The Mission has not been approved!

Lenglon is your new leader! The deadline for a new team is Tuesday the 16th, at 10PM EST.

If this team is not approved, then we proceed to Day Four and the Mission will counted as a failure.

[Nerjin]

Alright Lenglon... So I'm just gonna go ahead and say this: I really hope I'm wrong about you.

We have only one chance to get this right or else we lose. Week 4 is nearly impossible for spy and Week 5 for rebels.

[Nerjin]

By which I mean that THIS is the most influential mission to the game.