TWSWhat? I did address it to you. Right here. Nerjin just didn't quote that part.
No you didn't. You didn't even follow it up but throw out blank accusations without explaining it more.
You didn't even link it right.
Oh, yeah, sorry about the link. But yes, it was addressed to you. It was under the part labeled "Tiruin". And what's there to follow up? I called you out on it, what more could I have said?
a. Explaining why and how.
b. Addressing Lenglon, who was also interested in that notion.
c. Expounding on that 'slip' and what constitutes a slip. Why am I 'trying hard', when there is no stimulus for me to try hard to achieve.
d. Reasons.
Because that recent post of yours? Screams evading the question with a rational answer. Your answers do make sense, but lacking.
Holistically lacking.
What's there to follow up? Your case. You can't just call someone out and assume it's bound in stone because 'Hey everyone! She slipped. Here.' Discuss?
This is quite the crucial mistake you're making for one who has caught a slip of the tongue, aye?
Or maybe I must simplify it. Are you going to ask me in the face your case for that being a slip, or are you going to prod everyone else on a paltry notion which you can't even address to your recipient?
> Why yourself.
Really? Because I'm a rebel.
Like we know that, smart guy. Failure to give any context seems best here. Especially if you're a spy.
I'm not sure what you want. I'm obviously going to put myself on the team. You want me to give reasons for me being town?
Those are for you to find, not me to tell you. Asking me for reasons for putting myself on the team is stupid.[/quote]
REALLY now?
It's only a simple question. Nothing wrong in asking it, is there? The only right or wrong we can attribute to something is judging both processes of the communication. Answer and question.
Your answer? Something nebulous and vague to all of us. Yea, say you're a rebel. Anyone can say it. Do we know it?
No.
You want me to find reasons on you being town? Sure, I can see them, I can type them out, but those reasons don't seal your innocence, buddy. I'd like you to show them other than commit to the logical fallacy of letting the other person find them, because that falls under
Shifting the Burden of proof – 'I need not prove my claim, you must prove it is false'. This explains something about you--you're expecting us to prove you innocent instead of you doing it yourself.
You need reasons. Because we can't all see you as a rebel, and it would hardly make sense if you
were a rebel to even assume such. It's the simplest analogy anyone could make!
> Why not Lenglon.
Remuthra's actions, giving up, etc.
*AHEM* LENGLON.
Seeing that, you're basing everything due to her predecessor. Something...stupid, really. An etc is not a good tell.
They have the same role. If Remuthra was scum, so is Lenglon. I'm not basing stuff off Lenglon's behaviour because I don't have anything on her yet.[/quote]
And yet you base it all on Remuthra when you don't even consider poking Lenglon. Who has, and which I believe you've at least
skimmed, a better analogy and grasp of concepts here.
You don't have anything on her yet, or you can't find anything on her, huh? Look back, she has quite the number of posts.
Right.
There.
Evidently more than Remuthra's posts. Can't you find
anything in her posts to prod?
I doubt that. While you do agree and bring out relevant points, you don't explain your own basis on those points. Not even an 'I agree with so-and-so' on 'point a,b,c and f.'
What's your basis on Remuthra being scum? And why?
Sheep:Why Dariush over Nerjin? unless I've been misreading, you think Dariush is a spy, why would you include him?
I meant he'd be the last one of the three I'd put on the team. As in, I trust him least.
...I don't even get what you're trying to say.
If I had to choose from Dariush, Nerjin and you, Dariush would be my last pick. I trust him least.
Sheep:Why Dariush over Nerjin? unless I've been misreading, you think Dariush is a spy, why would you include him?
I meant he'd be the last one of the three I'd put on the team. As in, I trust him least.
...I don't even get what you're trying to say.
EBWOP
So yet you still noted Dariush, and me, in your previous picks.
Then you go ahead and put Nerjin instead.
Why
Because I wasn't sure at the time who I was going to put on. I obviously had to choose one of you three, why are you surprised when I did?
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Surprise is something you'd like to see, huh. I don't think anyone else could see surprise there, mainly curiosity.
It would be very surprising indeed if you didn't choose at all given the context, and the lacking reasons behind them help support it. Which you don't give other than the obvious 'choosing' process.
Would it make more sense to ask why you chose those people? I asked that, didn't I? You chose those people, and yet you lack a reasonable answer.
Or was the matter on choosing Nerjin something you're trying to avoid until you think of something else to put down? Because other than give anything informative on the difference between Tiruin and Nerjin, you give a blank 'I choose you!' note. I mean,
it's pretty obvious that you didn't trust Dariush. Why bother to repeat that? Because its all cyclic before I've to ask you to answer the important questions. Everything else not mentioned.
Squirm more, scum.
Anyone.
Anyone would give their reasons on their choices. Any
thinking Rebel would at least care on those matters. In my view, you're intentionally missing the point. Putting numerous arguments that may in themself be valid, but do not address the issue in question.
Why?
LenglonTiruin, thank you very much for the well done story/recap of the plot of the game, and it actually did help me keep track of what we're supposed to be doing, but...
Tiruin: Um, I actually was referencing a different story, the story of how your actions and priorities changed between week 2 and week 3 day 1 (see the phrasing I used the last time I went over this to see how the questions are tied). Basically I was re-asking you same the question from before, but this time you have more context to understand what is bothering me about it.
regarding if I'm certain that you're a spy, that's actually a no. I don't have enough hard evidence, and people are people, meaning weird. I saw you acting weird once, so I'm watching you with suspicion, but stuff happens. In the meantime though, I plan on going ahead and acting on the assumption you're a spy, at least for now. The only person I'm totally sure of right now is NQT.
regarding the whole "phrasing things to subtlety say that i'm a Rebel role" thing. I honestly haven't thought about it all that much, but you're right in that I am doing it. I guess it's because I'm spending a lot of time explaining things from my perspective, and since my perspective includes having that as one of my basic assumptions, that message filters through. why the question?
...You asked me in the form of italics, which I presume is flavor, so you got flavor. What can you make of that?
Anyway, I can understand that suspicion, and the vote pattern idea. However what I don't get is what you see on the pattern. I downvoted the first two, yes. I stated reasons backing them.
So priorities. Note on the shift between them and
this point.It was getting more along the lines of nowhere. Blanked information. Lacking discussion. Lacking people.
Post-viewpoint, (and I'm partly confused to what you're looking for..my own interpretation of my
'shifting views' as you see it?).
Ok:
> I upvoted the team because I had no qualms with the other people mentioned. I had examined their posts and reasoning beforehand, and found little to nothing scummy either in intention or motive.
The cruxes of my basis:
We've got 3 people including myself abstaining from getting picked, and most of the rest (>~50%) are just saying yea or nay to the team.[This implies abstinence..caution or not, its pretty hard to tell when nobody talks. Wild guessing. Something I'm against.]
Second is that people are either waiting for a mission failure to do anything, or just keeping silent until something of note happens.
The first part of the second statement goes on the idea on people finally talking and drawing lines to match up who did what.
But then I found something. Remuthra.
You can see how I tried talking to him. Ended in failure, but gained useful notes along the way. The shift of attitude? I'm still interested in communication, but when I see suspicious acts, I tend to insert a veil of aggression into it to make my point heard.
I see your reasoning, it's simple, and the conclusion makes sense. Though, anyone could see how implicating someone as a spy would work. Find deviation; write up some basis of suspicion against them. Yet what matters is the context therein. Something I didn't see in any of my teammates.
...and nobody asked this.
griffinpup: Why choose someone who wanted a replacement, and who had asked for it beforehand to place in the team?
I'm still unsure of what you see changed in priorities and actions (perhaps the lack of me saying I upvote/downvote? Or the team in question? You saw lacking material, perhaps?)
But to continue: why I don't trust you..primarily your alter-ego.
This says yea. His perception on the team he was on with lacking..everything, really.
He did answer my query on scapegoats. Something which he pointed out himself (2 posts above that.)
As for the scapegoating, I recognize that, which is why I'm upvoting the team anyway.
Which..I didn't comment upon but file in my folder of suspicion. Because I didn't get the grammar and why he added an 'anyway'. Sounds like being nonchalant(?) or apathetic. Can't find the word for it.
Next, post-mission, he draws back and fails to answer everything. Note that he downvoted the next team (failed team comprising of NQT, the Griffins [Griffionday=Shinigami], and me) despite..well, you know my case. Me restating it over and over would just lead to dishonor.
But what came to mind is something along Kettle logic(?) I can't get my terms right, but it rings along the lines of abstinence to answer, with fear of a nebulous idea, with label on a vague notion which could act as a label on anything (WIFOM much? Not WIFOM when you, yourself, brought it up along with an affirmation on your side with the lack of explanation if the team passes/fails.)
Notes who I'm quite sure of on that:
TWS.
Lenglon (while you do make a good case, mostly reasonable there, I really can't see how Remuthra can justify himself at all with those kinds of posts and contradictions. And apathy.)
...I'll really have to re-read now on what the rest are poking at. Because RL is really killing me.
PFP - RL x_x