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[Leafsnail]

If Ottofar were town then he'd have been modkilled for quoting a word in his role PM to prove his innocence.

[Vector]

If Ottofar were town then he'd have been modkilled for quoting a word in his role PM to prove his innocence.

Are you sure about that?  I wasn't under the interpretation that things usually work that way.


(I'm very under the weather right now.  I snapped yesterday because I feel like I consistently am called "slimy" or just "off" in these games regardless of my alignment, with no other descriptor or claim, and there's no way to defend against that.  Yeah, your gut is pinging you!  It's pinging wrong, just like it did the last three times.  How am I to prove myself un-wishy-washy?  Your claims aren't specific enough for me to do anything about or even address.

"Nawww, I don't feel slimy to you!"

Etc.)

[lordnincompoop]

If Ottofar were town then he'd have been modkilled for quoting a word in his role PM to prove his innocence.

I think I missed that. Where?

[ToonyMan]

@Vector:

That's a reasonable thing for me to ask, ToonyMan.  Leafsnail has showed up and doesn't feel like scum to me, so I unvoted and asked Tiruin.  Besides... is there any reason we shouldn't speedy quicklynch the third party?

Because a quick-lynch kills discussion and every player can join the anonymous blob of lynching?

Vector: If I had to condense the problem I'm having with your posts, it's that you're spending quite a lot of time and words in tangential discussions with Lenglon and Tiruin, while only touching on fairly superficial points when scumhunting (such as me talking about investigations, NQT's alleged focus on "instead").  It means I'm struggling to tell what your thoughts are on the core issues of the game, such as which people are mafia members.  Who do you think is mafia members?

Sorry I missed this.  I've been thinking about it.
I'm not sure who is, specifically, mafia members.  I'm convinced that Lenglon is town and Tiruin is scum of some sort.  Ottofar and NQT are looking bad, but I keep feeling like there's someone on the sidelines who I haven't caught onto yet.  Something just feels off.
I'm gathering intel, but I'll be arsed if I'm going to do this the high-energy way instead of the detail-focused way.  This group of players hasn't figured out yet just how important wording is so it's a valid hunting technique again, and I intend to save myself the emotional effort.  I can go through and make a big case with lots and lots of evidence, the way this subforum likes, when it's lynching time.  But right now I'm getting data my way.

This is fine.

(I'm very under the weather right now.  I snapped yesterday because I feel like I consistently am called "slimy" or just "off" in these games regardless of my alignment, with no other descriptor or claim, and there's no way to defend against that.  Yeah, your gut is pinging you!  It's pinging wrong, just like it did the last three times.  How am I to prove myself un-wishy-washy?  Your claims aren't specific enough for me to do anything about or even address.
"Nawww, I don't feel slimy to you!"
Etc.)

I prefer you didn't appeal to my emotions, but this seems genuine (though I'll cry and write in my diary if you're a witch).


@Dariush:

A more apt observation would be what are you going to do about it?  How is placing my vote on Ottofar the same as him putting a vote on NQT a week ago?
Have anything else to say about the situation or are you disappointed your mislynch got fucked?
NQT is town because that's the impression I get off him.  I don't see how his concerns are anything but benevolent, if awkward.  He's participating far more than you are too.  PPE: He also seems to be aware of the town wincon which Leafsnail is cursing at.
Why are you sticking with Ottofar so much?  Why would you buddy your own scummate...

I was... of rather higher opinion of you before this post. Apparently, you're just another stupid self-important cretin.
1. It is completely identical: a vote on a lurker without any explanation other than to save NQT's ass.
2. Mislynch. So despite NQT being the embodiment of scumminess for the entire game and you not lifting a finger to dispute any part of my case you simply declare him a mislynch. Did he promise you a fu hug? Or maybe a win for your team?
3. His concerns? Like the part where he declared that Toaster would be guaranteed scum if NQT is lynched? Or maybe the part where he actually asked in huge bold font why we aren't voting Ottofar? Yep, totally benevolent and not intended to save his ass in no way whatsoever.
4. Sticking? Er, no. I don't give a fuck about Ottofar. What I do give a fuck about, however, is that the three scum have voted him for the laziest reason ever ('ermahgard hers luhkin') merely so one of them won't get lynched.
Also, I love how you jumped off Ottofar bandwagon (on which you still jumped for no reason) the moment NQT lost a vote. Deeefinitely a behaviour of someone who wishes to see scum dead.

Something I pointed out last time was your lack of content in your last post, and in your following post here you do the exact same thing.  This is one of the largest reasons I voted Vector and now you're doing nothing but ignoring half of what I'm saying, every other player, and this game as a whole.

I'll repeat myself, but what are you contributing to the game?


@Zombie Urist:

Toonyman: Why are you voting Vector even though you claimed that you "have no ammo left on [her]?"

I wanted some expounding for the Tiruin vote and she missed Leafsnail's question.


@Leafsnail:

If Ottofar were town then he'd have been modkilled for quoting a word in his role PM to prove his innocence.

I haven't trusted you Leafsnail this entire game, but damn, you're pushing a lynch on Ottofar hard and that is Scumsnail if I ever saw one.


@Tiruin:
You cast a ward on me?  What exactly does that entail?

Also, your wincon is to protect somebody?  Is that me?  I don't like your "I don't mind getting lynched by the town" attitude, but your behavior is odd and contrary.

I'll ask about my own appearance in a PM to LNCP.

[Tiruin]

PFP - will answer stuff later

Tiruin

Or I'm really looking at that paragraph with a flat face. Why would a father ask his daughter to kill people, exactly? Straightly, no. I am in no way going to, or believing my character will, kill. Ever. Searching for people yes. Protecting people, yes. Ensuring they survive, yes. My wincon is not my errand for my father [or..it can be, metaphorically.. It's my mother's advice which does, and that's what I omit]. Why do you ask about this errand?

Only, you said you were on an errand from our father AND you also said you were out to stop a non-witch thread. I'm trying to put 2 and 2 together here.

Why did you even claim this early? It's unfathomable. You really don't like me questioning you, and I'm not even voting you. Also you omitted the point about magic which makes me think you're something magical.

...

'Our'?

@Orange: ...You misinterpret my comment about your questioning and place an I don't like your questioning me, instead?

This is very strange, NQT.

[Tiruin]

If Ottofar were town then he'd have been modkilled for quoting a word in his role PM to prove his innocence.

Quoting like

I'm quoting something

or quoting as in saying

Ottofar— actually I've just realised something (perhaps the reason Leafsnail was so upset). Specifically, why does it matter whether I said kill or eliminate?

With this, you confirm your stupidity, or that you are not town. Probably both. Because the town has that as a wincon. Not kill, but eliminate. It is, most likely the same for everyone on town's side.

this?

Ottofar: Synonyms don't count, perhaps? Your point here is...?

Ottofar is confirmed scum.

So you didn't quote where he did such to detail on this huge point?

@Tiruin:
You cast a ward on me?  What exactly does that entail?

Also, your wincon is to protect somebody?  Is that me?  I don't like your "I don't mind getting lynched by the town" attitude, but your behavior is odd and contrary.

Ward: Protection from magic and other unholy devices. My use of the verb 'cast' in conjunction to it? Not needed, but just me stating 'I do (x) at you!', more of an 'I wonder what would people react to if I said "cast"'. Just like what a guardian angel would do.

...And yes. Protect in the terms of 'I don't want you killed/slain/murdered/tainted/done in/kicking the bucket'.

"And no, I'm not saying who it is. Why are you asking me if I'd say who it is?"

...Why don't you like that attitude? What I'm saying (mostly inferring) that I'm ok with the lynch--people get uppity about this lapse of information and go with their anything at times--but what I'm not ok with is the reasons behind the votes that precede said lynch.

ZU comes later.

(I'm very under the weather right now.  I snapped yesterday because I feel like I consistently am called "slimy" or just "off" in these games regardless of my alignment, with no other descriptor or claim, and there's no way to defend against that.  Yeah, your gut is pinging you!  It's pinging wrong, just like it did the last three times.  How am I to prove myself un-wishy-washy?  Your claims aren't specific enough for me to do anything about or even address.

"Nawww, I don't feel slimy to you!"

Etc.)

Lenglon: How did you see Vector at the time stated?

[ToonyMan]

@Tiruin:
You cast a ward on me?  What exactly does that entail?
Also, your wincon is to protect somebody?  Is that me?  I don't like your "I don't mind getting lynched by the town" attitude, but your behavior is odd and contrary.

Ward: Protection from magic and other unholy devices. My use of the verb 'cast' in conjunction to it? Not needed, but just me stating 'I do (x) at you!', more of an 'I wonder what would people react to if I said "cast"'. Just like what a guardian angel would do.

Okay.

...And yes. Protect in the terms of 'I don't want you killed/slain/murdered/tainted/done in/kicking the bucket'.
"And no, I'm not saying who it is. Why are you asking me if I'd say who it is?"

Because I find it odd to cast a protect on somebody who isn't your protect target.

...Why don't you like that attitude? What I'm saying (mostly inferring) that I'm ok with the lynch--people get uppity about this lapse of information and go with their anything at times--but what I'm not ok with is the reasons behind the votes that precede said lynch.

Because a player not minding their own death doesn't make any sense at a game stand-point.  Even if the cases against you were understandable why would you be okay with your own lynch?  I've seen you self-vote yourself in the past and that holds the same tune.

[griffinpup]

Unvote
OK guys, I'm back.  I'm first going to answer everything in the thread directed at me, and then I'll sweep through again, hopefully with a case.

griffinpup
[Why is Deathsword the scummiest player right now?]

He isn't.

I was busy, busy enough that I did not have the time or mindset to sit down, search the thread for questions and answer them. I did not look at who was about to be lynched, or when the day ended. Because, let me say this again, busy. I had two tests today and I had to study for them. You seem incapable of grasping that someone might be too busy to post more than a single line of text.

Actual questions and case, if any, in my next post later this day.

Were you too busy to type the word Extend?
ZU:

Griffinpup:

Griffinpup: Why did you point out the exact same thing I pointed out earlier here?

Because I didn't see it.

griffinpup
[I remember you contributing a lot more to games when playing as town. Why so lurky?]

And sorry guys.  I'm going to be gone from tomorrow to about Monday or Tuesday.

Why are you accusing me of lurking when I plainly stated that I was going to be gone for an extended period of time? Not only does it make your accusation invalid, it also seems like a jerk move.  The time period of this accusation is also confusing.  I had posted content at least once a day.  Is this unacceptable?


Everyone:
Did I miss anything?

next post coming soonish.

[Lenglon]

Pup: Deathsword has been replaced by Ironyowl.
Tiruin: I'll answer your question after my current line of questioning ends.
Vector: "You appeared to have thought that I was somewhat fragile against vitriol-fueled speech during our long talk the other day, and then, last night, you used such speech in your response to my accusation. Was that an attempt to essentially frighten me into backing off? if not, what were you trying to achieve?"

[Vector]

Why are you roleplaying that particular question?

I don't think you're weak against vitriol.  I think you're bad at reading situations.  Not only that, but I am honestly upset, experiencing things I don't want to experience (employer and housing not getting back to me when they really should, for example, which means that rather a lot is on the line), and I'm getting incredibly frustrated with everyone always thinking I'm scum all the time.  Jesus Christ!  Maybe it was spontaneous!  Maybe I actually got upset at being called "a slimy used-car salesman," instead of using emotional appeal as a technique or whatever the fuck people keep thinking I'm doing!

[ToonyMan]

Not only that, but I am honestly upset, experiencing things I don't want to experience (employer and housing not getting back to me when they really should, for example, which means that rather a lot is on the line), and I'm getting incredibly frustrated with everyone always thinking I'm scum all the time.  Jesus Christ!  Maybe it was spontaneous!  Maybe I actually got upset at being called "a slimy used-car salesman," instead of using emotional appeal as a technique or whatever the fuck people keep thinking I'm doing!

You're doing it again.

But seriously, if you don't have the mental reserve to play maybe you should reconsider, because in my eyes you could either really be bogged down with "real life" events or you're just being a deceitful scum player, how would I know?  It's one of the largest criticisms I have of Captain Ford's play (who has disappeared lately).

[Vector]

And from my point of view if you have an accusation as vague as "I dunno, you just feel off," expecting anything logical back as the reason for this is incredibly stupid.  It's not based on anything I'm doing.  It's not an attack anyone can defend themselves against, so voting without preparation to lynch on those grounds alone is stupid and noobish, if not scummy.

Yes, I am indeed considering not playing Mafia anymore, but I feel like I should stick out whatever I signed up for.  I have plenty mental reserve to play but I don't have any more patience for this ill-thought-out bullshit.

[Lenglon]

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Ottofar
Tiruin: I wasn't sure if she was angry as a ploy to scare me or angry as an honest reaction. the first one made sense if I assume she's scum, the second one made sense if I assume she's town. However, her behavior rings with me as honest anger, followed by regret, followed by attempting to calm down and handle it properly. In particular I took note of the long time period where she didn't post anything, and I compared her activity elsewhere, and what she said during that activity, and it seemed like she realized she was mad and losing control. I don't like her case still, because it seemed, and still seems, to be at cross-purposes with our objectives here. But at least she seems to have some honest attachment to it, and isn't just putting on a show.
Vector: I roleplayed that particular question because I was attempting to convey tone of voice.
"It's ok Vector. Sorry about hurting you there. I didn't know I was opening an old wound. I wanted to see if your were honestly attached to your case, if you really felt for it, if you really did hold that conviction. I didn't mean to push you as hard as I did about it though. I... I'm sorry."
Lenglon looks off to one side
"I actually am willing to lynch based off my feelings though, when someone sets them off like that, and at the time, you did. It's just... well, what they were telling me was that you didn't honestly care about the case you were making, but they're telling me now that you were honestly mad. I think that means your case was real, although I'm still not sure."

[Tiruin]

Err, if it would mean much, I'd vouch for Vector on the emotional stuff there (unsure where the used-car salesman thing comes from but I won't poke it) but..Lenglon did have a point. The shift in tone did come off as if there was something wrong--mind you, this didn't mean anything in terms of alignment emotions, but it...just came off as something wrong.

But yeah, Vector's...troubled. :/

Take a rest for the moment Vector and say when you're ok. From what I know of Lenglon, she's not a bad person in touching those points and downplaying you as such.

@Tiruin:
You cast a ward on me?  What exactly does that entail?
Also, your wincon is to protect somebody?  Is that me?  I don't like your "I don't mind getting lynched by the town" attitude, but your behavior is odd and contrary.

Ward: Protection from magic and other unholy devices. My use of the verb 'cast' in conjunction to it? Not needed, but just me stating 'I do (x) at you!', more of an 'I wonder what would people react to if I said "cast"'. Just like what a guardian angel would do.

Okay.

...And yes. Protect in the terms of 'I don't want you killed/slain/murdered/tainted/done in/kicking the bucket'.
"And no, I'm not saying who it is. Why are you asking me if I'd say who it is?"

Because I find it odd to cast a protect on somebody who isn't your protect target.

Two things wrong:
> I cast my protect on somebody who is my protect target.
> I don't cast my protect on somebody who is my protect target.

The query was

Also, your wincon is to protect somebody?  Is that me?

You wonder why I prodded that with partial sarcasm? Think about it.

"Oh yes Toony, you're my protect target. I really did lie in saying you aren't."

>__>

...Why don't you like that attitude? What I'm saying (mostly inferring) that I'm ok with the lynch--people get uppity about this lapse of information and go with their anything at times--but what I'm not ok with is the reasons behind the votes that precede said lynch.

Because a player not minding their own death doesn't make any sense at a game stand-point.  Even if the cases against you were understandable why would you be okay with your own lynch?  I've seen you self-vote yourself in the past and that holds the same tune.

...Ok. Schoolwork juggling + Mafia = not good english me.

I do mind my own death, but am unsure on the repercussions. General repercussions, as it would affect everyone involved. The cases against me..aren't understandable, really. Voting people because they're third-party? That's a run-off cause, and needs expounding. Those who are doing such aren't expounding but bringing in a can of spoiled worms: metaknowledge. If you'd like a point, Toaster speaks about third-parties and if they're benevolent, why aren't they town. I answered to my best knowledge why, but the real answer is if you'd ask the mod what he's thinking.

What do you see about the cases against me, ToonyMan? I detect the presence of that 'Even if' which comes off to me as you subtly inserting your doubt on those cases.

Can you think out a GM at his own game? No. I'm only a piece of the puzzle.

But I think you're either misunderstanding me, or misunderstanding me intentionally for information... no I'm not self-voting myself. The context of that time was very muchly different from now. (and now I feel like you're a bit biased against me due to that) :I

ZU

Tiruin: What is the crux of your case on Toaster? Does your flavor say why you hate witchcraft? Why did you ward Toonyman?

I'm running on PFP time so I'll have to ask you to use your lurkertracker to spot my votes, specifically #20+ from memory, that's where I was poking on Toaster.

> He's using bad logic and metaknowledge to back up his vote.
> He's using spurious claims (that lie thing I pointed out? Yeah.) to back up his case on me.
> He's not being definite about his case on me, but rather use the fallacy of appealing to ignorance to prod at me.
> Wasting a vote on a third-party mainly because of said metaknowledge without explaining the context WHY he's doing so or why he's believing I claimed in the first place, but coming off from that tangent.

Flavor...doesn't state it specifically. I do know of the ailments of the land from what I heard from people, but did not exactly say I hate witchcraft "I hate what's going on here" pertaining to the current evils plaguing the lands and recent events is more like it.

And the last: He's the Viscount, is the most superficial thought that came to mind. And nobody claimed otherwise--will expound later.

I want your thoughts on this case though, as you commented before on third-parties and you weren't feeling safe after knowing what I said about myself.

[Tiruin]

EBWOP

But yeah, Vector's...troubled. :/

I mean this in the most non-offensive way and just realize how badly this is worded and sorry Vector.

Tiruin: What is the crux of your case on Toaster? Does your flavor say why you hate witchcraft? Why did you ward Toonyman?

I'm running on PFP time so I'll have to ask you to use your lurkertracker to spot my votes, specifically #20+ from memory, that's where I was poking on Toaster.

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