NQT:
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I really have no idea what you're trying to say with regards to previous games, though.
I'm struggling to believe that you're really this dense. What's the one thing you told everyone about your previous two games? Read back if you've forgotten. Think about my early game. Make some sense now?
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Okay, you know what? I think I know what you're trying to tell me. If I'm right, you'll get why I'm also not stating my conclusion out loud.
You've won this one, sir.
Unvote NQTTiruin:
ToasterThat leaves either Town or Third-Party.
Explain why you concluded the latter. Explain why that needs to hang.
What, you don't think third party should hang? Wonder why that is.
Nice evasion mister.
A third-party can comprise anything from benevolent to neutral to malevolent. Is it explicitly needed to be hung?
I want reasons, not roundabout questions and implied answers, Witch.
Let me ask you this hypothetical: Is a third-party a definite evil to the town?
I did explain why I concluded that (the misunderstanding which I already stated.) And sorry, I thought it was common knowledge that third party was bad. Since you don't agree, I'll explain.
Third parties have a different goal than town. If they had the same goal, they just would be town. Since they do not have the same goal as town, they are not acting in the town's interests. While it is within the realm of possibility that said third party may see benefit from town doing well, that does not mean they will be 100% loyal and helpful to town- again, if so, they'd just be town in the first place.
Let's do some examples. Survivor has no direct reason to hurt the town. However, it is in their interest to see the game end as quickly as possible, so they often side with the mafia. Jesters disrupt scumhunting and waste a lynch. A martyr wants to draw a nightkill so they may be active in scum hunting, but they don't want to get all the scum lynched before they get killed. A Brother typically doesn't know the alignment of their target.
More relevant examples- WC1 had a lyncher, a wizard, and a golem. The lyncher was paired to a townie- this is obviously bad. The golem was basically a SK, which is even more obviously bad. The wizard wanted to find and control the golem, but blew away witches and townies alike in its quest to find it. No one is really sure what happened if the golem was caught, but best case is they both just left town, which still isn't pro town.
WC2 had a bell-sounder that created a SK and a cult. I don't think I need to explain why these are anti-town.
So, do I think third parties should hang? Yes, absolutely. In past WC games they've even been more of a threat than witches.
As for your hypothetical, almost certainly. I shall return you with another hypothetical: if a third-party is beneficial to the town, why wouldn't it just be town?
Why shouldn't I be lynched? Do you want me to give reasons on that extremist point? It's all up to you, and/or everyone else to decide on that point and ascertain whether or not the target must be lynched under grounds of logic and communication. That sort of question is quite..I can't find the word for it. Strange? Out of place? It's like you're taking the role of a judge on that part and as if you've got power over me.
Given you've claimed third party, yes indeed, I do think you should give reasons. Interesting that you think I'm acting like a judge, since that's an apt comparison to the role that everyone has. Well, I suppose it's more akin to jury, since we're voting on who is guilty and who is not. My vote is my power, and I choose to use it on you.
As for believing anything I say--that's relative. As well as believing everything everyone else says. *handwaves argument* You want to stereotype? Go do so. Whatever consequence of that will be attributed to ignorance.
I mean, heck. Sure, we can attribute third-party to the neutral jerk who picks sides and doesn't care about stuff, or wishes to kill people for the heck of it, but...that's really shocking seeing your extremism there. And it being shared by ZU given his point of view on it.
How do you view a third-party? Why should they be hanged in lieu of unclaimed scummy people? Should they be hanged if they are third-party, and nothing else?
I believe I've answered all this above, and I stand by my reasoning on it.
The underlined bit, especially. I am for lynching scummy people, sure, but when scum jumps out at me, why not take it up on its offer?
And yes, I think third party should hang.
Vector: Tiruin appears to be claiming third party. What is your reaction to this?
Running up to Vector and asking for backup, I presume? Why Vector of all people?
Because Vector is being too quiet and needs to talk more.
Lastly, what your remark to NQT is, is my point on you.
Okay, I'll grant you this one. You said "I'm not a witch" within the context of your previous claim of not being third party, when I read it separately. Consider my complaint on that post dropped. [...]
A very nice startup until you found something actually suspicious about him. The bolded portion contradicts whatever you posted towards me, however, as only now after I shown you the error, you backtrack.
This is a lie. NQT clarified this for me, not you.
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I explicitly said I wasn't 3rd party, you even quoted where I said it. I'm going to give you one last chance as it's still possible that you're being as dense as your namesake. Unless you have a crumb tray where your rational faculties ought be you'll know exactly what I was saying when I told you to think back to your previous witches games and reflect on what I was doing early on this game. I'm calling you out as confirmed scum if you don't see what I'm saying. You're allowed to disbelieve me but you should at least stop misrepresenting what I'm telling you.
Coward.
Bite me.
..It is concerned, just that it isn't written in the wincon. >_> Look, while I did say 'it isn't in directly culling the witches from this town' I was referring to the wincon-my character doesn't prioritize those things, but sees a larger, greater threat on the horizon.
Something greater than witches.
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You can say this out loud and wonder why I want to see third parties hang?