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[Nerjin]

Extend

"Pardon me gentlemen and ladies but I appear to have to go do some things and can't help look for bullies as properly as I should right. Now. A day or two extra would be a real help."

[As in: Real life stuffs goin' down so I need a bit more time.]

[Shinigami_King]

I'll extend as well. Now that it is the week I am busier than before so a bit of extra time would help. I also want to hear more from those who have not been very active yet.

[Tiruin]

Dariush

"And finally, um, Dariush-senpai! To be quite blunt, you confuse me. You dont seem to be active in school at the same times as when you're active in the great temple. I dont understand why that is. could you please explain?"

Because trying to solve a well-made puzzle is way more interesting and fun than digging through colorful RPing vomit of teenage girls with inflated senses of self-opinion like you.

"What do you see in her words, then? Something? Nothing? What?"

In her (wait, is Lenglon actually female or are you referring to his female persona? Because if the latter, then my detestation of you just passed borders I previously thought impassable) words I saw shitcolors, shithonorifics and shitroleplaying. I think that is sufficient.

Lenglon is female. I asked her personally. If you already detest me, then be straight with it..sheesh. >_>


Extend. And PFP. Because I've hilariously spent the latest unholy hours of the night and morning purging my room of ants. Bloody annoying ants.

[Tiruin]

Dariush:  Do you have an actual case on Solifuge that isn't bilious rage over cat pictures?

Intentionally making scumhunting more difficult and ignoring requests to stop doing so is an entirely valid one.

Hah, no. An excuse is more like what you seem to be doing. That or I can't see how you can't view his images..even with a very very slow net connection here, I can view them easy.

..You think he's evading by doing pictures, then?

[Solifuge]

Quick post- Solifuge, everyone's points directed at you so far are fair but what you are questioning from my post is dumb. I figured that everyone would know, even the inexperienced players such as myself, that asking someone if they are scum can actually cause slip ups. Some may say something they don't mean to or overreact to the very simple question. I'm surprised you didn't realize this, or did you?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

"I'm pretty sure we've got lots of time. But I think I may be addressing the point in a different way: Are you afraid that you might expel the wrong student, or are you afraid to pressure them if at all? Are you being lax with your vote, or is there some psychological detail to it.

"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?

"um, Neko-senpai? you didn't answer my question. and I had answered yours before you'd asked it. why'd you bother? to repeat myself, at the time, I hadn't found as many things that seemed suspicious as everyone else had, and felt clueless as a result. I don't feel that way anymore though." Lenglon glares for a second at Deathsword-senpai.

Spoiler: Lenglon (click to show/hide)

"I-I-but-uh-but... ok, um, you know what? I-I'll, get back to you on that in a bit. I, um, I need to sit down and think over what people have been saying again if I'm going to have a chance at finding something that has slipped through the cracks. I think you're trying to help me here, I'm just a little, well, really a whole lot, lost right now. I don't think you actually think I'm one of the bullies, but that you think you need to vote for me to make me feel pressured to, well, improve. I mean, if you were actually looking for people who aren't saying anything, you'd be voting for Dariush-senpai or Phantom-san, right? so, um, thanks? could you tell me what's wrong with the questions I have asked? I really think that I'm, well, kind of useless early on like this. I know I need to be questioning people, but last time that I tried to ask people about minor, kind of meaningless, things, everyone got mad at me for it. I'm having trouble finding stuff that isn't minor right now, and I feel inadequate at questioning my seniors in general unless they do something that seems, well, really wrong. Still, if nothing else I should be able to question Shinigami-kun and Ranger-kun, right? I mean, I've talked to them a lot in the past, so I should be able to notice if they're hiding something, right? so, um, I'll see what I can do."

"Hey! Neko-Senpai! stop ignoring meeee! you never answered my question!"

[Jim Groovester]

The fun, it hurts, I can't take it anymore.

Fairly low.  Decent scum will realize they're cut off from using whatever they said as an attack and not trip over it.  Good scum will have said something they don't use anyway, so scum like you won't be found out with it.

Okay, but what was the likelihood that scum were going to invalidly use shit tells without getting called out on them in the first place?

What was your point to him here?

He's explaining part of Lenglon's post I didn't bother to read.

Speaking of voting, Griffonday, Captain Ford, Phantom of the Library, RangerCado, Lenglon, Solifuge, Shinigami_King:  Why aren't you voting?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If the extension doesn't go through, the day ends tomorrow.

You don't have that much time.

[RangerCado]

(First EXTEND)

(I have to agree with Toaster and Tiruin Dariush, the pictures are easily quotable as you can just copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post. It seems rather simple to me. Your one of only two people who are finding the pictures annoying, and complaining about them doesn't get you anywhere so just stop and make a case not based around your personal hatred of Cat pictures.)

(My point to Jim, Tiruin, was a very bad way of saying that he should still read what a player says rather than just blow it off thinking he knows exactly whats going to be said in the post. If Jim thinks Lenglon is scum, he should read whats said in the posts to help build his case instead of blowing it off as useless rambling. (even if that really is all it is)

(UNVOTE and vote Lenglon, RPing is nice and all, but your getting ridiculous. Staying in character is fine, but the amount of time you spend making those excuses is staggering. In RL, IC, and in-game sense, you are stuttering and fumbling around like someone whos been backed into a corner with no escape, and has something that they want desperately to hide. Why do you spend a paragraph making an excuse when you could state very clearly your reasons for disagreeing? Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)

(Made all OOC due to not knowing how to phrase this in character.)

[zombie urist]

the pictures are easily quotable as you can just copy the picture to your desktop and then add it too your post. It seems rather simple to me.

Ironically, this is a very complicated way to do it. The easiest way is to just quote the post as normal and use preview to select and remove necessary ones.

Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)

What's so special about six? This seems unusually strong.

I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?

(also suspicious timing, I had just mentioned that he was being idle, and nobody else had voiced any suspicions against him. also stretching, he brought up a lot of old, clearly resolved, issues, and presented them as his own. in general, he isn't hunting on his own, thinking on his own, or in fact presenting anything new whatsoever. he's just repeating anything he can find that might remotely incriminate me, and not actually researching any of the arguments he's bringing up. he's then presenting this garbage as a lynch case, with no questions in it. that is lazy, unproductive, and he should know far, far better. he is scum attempting to cause a mislynch.)

Do you have any examples of "old, clearly resolved issues"? Still I notice that these posts [1][2][3] are devoid of scumhunting.

((ZU, watch the movie "SuperSize Me" and you'll understand. Or just look up the process in making them.))

I have. To the best of my knowledge, chicken nuggets are still made of chicken. Though the meat is ground up and then bleached and then some other stuff. But still chicken.

[Shinigami_King]

Another short post from school. I'm surprised everyone is attacking lenglon for text that is hard to see. Ranger and I both discussed in RL that purple on white isn't that bad. Especially in comparison to the cyan colour. Also, you can just copy/paste soli's picture's into into your post so there really is no problem at all there.

[Nerjin]

“Alright you magnificent people let’s get this going. I’m not leaving until I have two suspects with a strong case. I shall re-read as many times as necessary to build this case. As of now EVERYONE is scum.” [2:58 PM]

[3:51 PM] “Oh god I’m not even to the end of my read and keep getting lost. Gotta start over. Just gonna note interesting things.”

[4:04 PM] “Wait a second… Lenglon… have you said anything important yet?”

[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest. Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”

[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke.… What’s he doing?

[4:08 PM] Voted Ford in RVS because of Ford’s RP persona. What the…?

[4:11 PM] He just votes Ford to have a vote on him it appears. Admits he doesn’t have a real suspect but then he just sorta… rolls with it? WHY!?

[4:14 PM] Active-lurk, Active-lurk, Active-lurk[/ur] Lenglon is there a reason you say that we need to be assertive yet you usually only come in to say “Stop being mean.” ?

[4:25 PM] Oh I guess you just needed a kick in the ass to get moving guess I’ll unv-… Wait no you go back to active lurking again right after you post a huge paragraph. [url=http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=125058.msg4289963#msg4289963]I feel Leaf describes what you’re doing better than I ever could.

[4:26 PM] Another big post that’s sadly devoid of content. but that’s fine. I guess you do just need a re-read to find something… Oh wait you Didn’t find anything? Fair enough. REREAD AGAIN!

[4:30 PM] I’ll admit at first I thought I might be wrong about the active-lurking because of this. but through-out you simply say “I’m innocent. I’m doing work. You’re the one who is false!” You also accuse him of trying to make his point seem more impressive by stretching out it’s length. You go on to do this exact thing. The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong. I have been before I bet your next post won’t be a single sentence and it’ll have MUCH more detail on why Death is scum.

[4:32 PM] Hm… I was wrong. Maybe the next- Nope… Just repeating what you said earlier. Next post for sure…

[4:35 PM] More Nothing

[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]

[Nerjin]

Sorry about that... Fixed the formatting for those who want to follow the links.

“Alright you magnificent people let’s get this going. I’m not leaving until I have two suspects with a strong case. I shall re-read as many times as necessary to build this case. As of now EVERYONE is scum.” [2:58 PM]

[3:51 PM] “Oh god I’m not even to the end of my read and keep getting lost. Gotta start over. Just gonna note interesting things.”

[4:04 PM] “Wait a second… Lenglon… have you said anything important yet?”

[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest. Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”

[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke.… What’s he doing?

[4:08 PM] Voted Ford in RVS because of Ford’s RP persona. What the…?

[4:11 PM] He just votes Ford to have a vote on him it appears. Admits he doesn’t have a real suspect but then he just sorta… rolls with it? WHY!?

[4:14 PM] Active-lurk, Active-lurk, Active-lurk Lenglon is there a reason you say that we need to be assertive yet you usually only come in to say “Stop being mean.” ?

[4:25 PM] Oh I guess you just needed a kick in the ass to get moving guess I’ll unv-… Wait no you go back to active lurking again right after you post a huge paragraph. I feel Leaf describes what you’re doing better than I ever could.

[4:26 PM] Another big post that’s sadly devoid of content. but that’s fine. I guess you do just need a re-read to find something… Oh wait you Didn’t find anything? Fair enough. REREAD AGAIN!

[4:30 PM] I’ll admit at first I thought I might be wrong about the active-lurking because of this. but through-out you simply say “I’m innocent. I’m doing work. You’re the one who is false!” You also accuse him of trying to make his point seem more impressive by stretching out it’s length. You go on to do this exact thing. The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong. I have been before I bet your next post won’t be a single sentence and it’ll have MUCH more detail on why Death is scum.

[4:32 PM] Hm… I was wrong. Maybe the next- Nope… Just repeating what you said earlier. Next post for sure…

[4:35 PM] More Nothing

[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]

[Teneb]

PFP

Probably won't be able to post today (test tomorrow, need to finish studying).

Shinigami: A lot of people, myself included, use Darkling. So it's purple on dark grey, not on white.

[Lenglon]

(entire post is occ because i'm mad and these issues are difficult to RP properly.)

(UNVOTE and vote Lenglon, RPing is nice and all, but your getting ridiculous. Staying in character is fine, but the amount of time you spend making those excuses is staggering. In RL, IC, and in-game sense, you are stuttering and fumbling around like someone whos been backed into a corner with no escape, and has something that they want desperately to hide. Why do you spend a paragraph making an excuse when you could state very clearly your reasons for disagreeing? Give us your reads on atleast SIX people please with reasons why.)

(neither of you understand what it means to stay in character apparently. both of your complaints are simply about my portraying my emotional state, which is something I consider important to RPing. and ranger? six+ is stupid, just ask for my reads on everyone and be done with it, i'm not going to bother humoring you for now, maybe later today when I'm less mad.)

Do you have any examples of "old, clearly resolved issues"? Still I notice that these posts [1][2][3] are devoid of scumhunting.

(yes.)

Spoiler: example 1 (click to show/hide)

Lenglon, you are awefuly defensive when it comes to Tiruin. Why are you buddying up to her? She can easily defend herself.

"Jerk, that wasn't even an attempt at looking for bullies, that's just being mean. Stop it."

I can't tell if this was an RP thing or not, but I'm going to assume it's not.

Why are you defending Tiruin?

(I just plain can't figure out a way to explain this in-character, but to put it simply, her timezone backs up her claim. All I saw was harassment.)

(I just plain can't figure out a way to explain this in-character, but to put it simply, her timezone backs up her claim. All I saw was harassment.)

I don't care about in character stuff because I am grumpy and hate people having fun in my mafia game.

What was your out of character reason for defending Tiruin? I'm not just going to ignore something because you wrap it in purple text.

(you didn't read what you quoted?)

(you didn't read what you quoted?)

Okay, so your problem is that I was being a jerk to Tiruin by bugging him about his nightmares.

Uh, why? Tiruin isn't a newcomer, he can handle me poking and prodding him about whatever he brings up.

"Because being a jerk is being a jerk. it's not that complicated. It would be different if you had a chance of finding something out, but that was just being mean for the sake of being mean. don't do that."

Spoiler: example 2 (click to show/hide)

In fact, is accusations of being creepy and/or being a jerk your only vote-material?

Lenglon: You put the third RVS vote on Ford. Is there a reason for doing so?

"Because he's creepy!" (no scumhunting-related reason, just an IC one)

Why aren't you voting for a scumhunting reason then?

"B-Because I dont know who else to vote for! Besides, I'm still asking questions and stuff. I just dont like the creepy guy." (because I could vote randomly, or I could vote for RP. in either case the vote's meaningless anyway.)

Spoiler: example 3 (click to show/hide)

(re-read done, and sadly the main things that sticks out to me is low activity from phantom, dariush, deathsword, and griffonday, as well as a lack of pressure from solifuge. i've probably missed a lot >.>)
"hunuh, um, Neko-senpai? you seem almost as clueless as me. I dont suppose you could tell me what you think of the argument going on between Nerjin-senpai and Shinigami-kun?

Also, be more clear about who you are talking about/to.

Who the hell is Neko-senpai?

And who is the Neko you speak of?"

(solifuge)

Spoiler: Nerjin's timeline and responses. (click to show/hide)

[4:04 PM] “His first real post says… Nothing of interest. Just a few fluff notes and a question to Ranger about why we shouldn’t just kill him because Ranger’s a bully… Without stating why Ranger is a bully.”

(RVS question you moron. pure reaction-test. you know how those work.)

[4:06 PM] “He just makes a joke.… What’s he doing?

(Playing? it's a game, i'm having fun, i'm RPing. I'm not, and have never been trying to, making every single post count. Look at the timestamps if you want to see my rate of scumhunting, and you'll see that i'm actually putting out as many or more questions per day than most.)

[4:08 PM] Voted Ford in RVS because of Ford’s RP persona. What the…?

[4:11 PM] He just votes Ford to have a vote on him it appears. Admits he doesn’t have a real suspect but then he just sorta… rolls with it? WHY!?

(because of how early in the game it was. you'd almost think that I really dont like the RVS phase, mostly because I have trouble getting out of it.)

[4:14 PM] Active-lurk, Active-lurk, Active-lurk[/ur] Lenglon is there a reason you say that we need to be assertive yet you usually only come in to say “Stop being mean.” ?

(define usually in a way remotely related to the English language. i've only done that twice this entire game, once to jim, and once to dariush.)

[4:25 PM] Oh I guess you just needed a kick in the ass to get moving guess I’ll unv-… Wait no you go back to active lurking again right after you post a huge paragraph. I feel Leaf describes what you’re doing better than I ever could.

(get your timeline right, this bit is nonsense.)

[4:26 PM] Another big post that’s sadly devoid of content. but that’s fine. I guess you do just need a re-read to find something… Oh wait you Didn’t find anything? Fair enough. REREAD AGAIN!

(after three times I chose to quit for the night, it being the weekend and all. what I listed was what I found worth mentioning. I found several things that seemed like personality quirks, which I noted down for later in case they change, but those notes will become useless if I make them public, so I'm not doing that.)

[4:30 PM] I’ll admit at first I thought I might be wrong about the active-lurking because of this. but through-out you simply say “I’m innocent. I’m doing work. You’re the one who is false!” You also accuse him of trying to make his point seem more impressive by stretching out it’s length. You go on to do this exact thing. The fact that he brings up previous players’ points doesn’t make his case weak. It simply states that he agrees with these people. The more I read your posts the more it seems like you’re just trying to do enough to avoid attention. But maybe I’m wrong. I have been before I bet your next post won’t be a single sentence and it’ll have MUCH more detail on why Death is scum.

(you seem to think the whole "clearly resolved" bit was coming from nowhere. Look up at zombie urist's question and my answer then.)

[4:32 PM] Hm… I was wrong. Maybe the next- Nope… Just repeating what you said earlier. Next post for sure…

[4:35 PM] More Nothing

(so apparently I should let people ignore my questions? simple statements don't require pages of text.)

[4:36 PM] Conclusion: You’re active lurking and I want to know why. You only seem to come out of the active-lurk when you see a target of ease or when someone calls you on it. Please explain your case on Deathsword better. Simply him “Omgusing” you isn’t enough [because he didn’t do that.]

I gather you're accusing Deathsword of regurgitating Leafsnail's arguments. Is there more to your accusation?

(also suspicious timing, I had just mentioned that he was being idle, and nobody else had voiced any suspicions against him. also stretching, he brought up a lot of old, clearly resolved, issues, and presented them as his own. in general, he isn't hunting on his own, thinking on his own, or in fact presenting anything new whatsoever. he's just repeating anything he can find that might remotely incriminate me, and not actually researching any of the arguments he's bringing up. he's then presenting this garbage as a lynch case, with no questions in it. that is lazy, unproductive, and he should know far, far better. he is scum attempting to cause a mislynch.)

(I see no reason to make sure that I include scumhunting in every single post, as long as I include scumhunting every single day. would people prefer me simply passive-lurking? look at the timestamps please, if I average a question in 3/4 of my posts, and post in here 10 times a day, that's still seven and a half questions per day. so what if they aren't all in a single wall of text? *example pulled from thin air without research, but the math is easy and obvious.*)

[RangerCado]

(I asked for six because of how many people are actually here. I'm still trying to get a read on everyone so i thought it best to pick a smaller number)

[Lenglon]

(bah, still mad but i'll try to humor you anyway)

Vector/Groovester: Null - unreadable
Griffionday: Lean Town - meta
Leafsnail: Town - training attempt
Captain Ford: Town - unlynchable + fairness assumptions
Toaster: Smartass (null) - messing with jim.
Tiruin: Respect (null) - dodged a trap absolutely perfectly, operates at a minimum of Tier 3 in WIFOM
Dariush: Troll (null) - lurking, but I think it's part of his normal meta
zombie urist: respect (lean town) - hunting well.
Phantom of the Library: Coward (lean scum) - activity and question pattern
Shinigami_King: Reckless (lean town) - meta
RangerCado: Hunting well (lean scum) - meta
Deathsword: Scum - you've heard my case
notquitethere: Invisible (null) - he blends into the crowd well.
Lenglon: Me (town) - duh
Solifuge: Lean scum - instincts, unable to explain well. something to do with activity and question pattern.
Nerjin: Reckless (lean town) - his attack on shinigami seemed odd but not scummy.

(names list shamelessly stolen from ford's !first! post)