First of all, I guess I'm tunneling Tiruin. The reason for this is, I want to get my case heard, and it's taking up most of my time. Once I'm satisfied I've made myself clear, I'll start pressuring others again.
My case on Tiruin: Everyone Read, please!When I started pressuring Tiruin, it was for voting a lurker while calling others out for doing the same, and for a few other reasons. These reasons can be seen best
here.
Tiruin then got
overdefensive and called out my suspicion because it was merely found by using the LurkerTracker. She also said she had been suspicious of TolyK then. I asked her about this, since she had shown no suspicion of him in the past. Her
response is the most important part of this case. She said that she had typed out a post asking TolyK questions and it had forgotten to submit it, and that was why she was suspicious of Tolyk, for not answering questions. Here's the quote:
And it's only now I realize that my part regarding TolyK didn't send in in any of those posts in between the link and the second-ish vote. :/ My mind was thinking that I did reply to TolyK, and then got caught up with the things in between the post after that and everything in between...
Well, the only thing I can attribute that to is forgetfulness -- he didn't post between that and past the vote; one factor there and the second being forgetfulness itself (in which I'd check if it posted down there) -- that I was mulling too much over Zrk and the rest. Nothing else I can honestly say but that.
I looked at the posts around that period, and saw that Tiruin never so much as mentioned to TolyK these missed questions. In her
post after TolyK came back from a long period of lurking, she addressed TolyK a lot, but didn't mention any questions. She didn't mention them in any other of her later posts, either.
Her response to my vote:
I guess I was too focused on the others I was pressing to mention that to TolyK. Knowing the guy, he addresses everything pointed to him so I'm quite unsure how the lack of me saying the missed questions part (semantically) marks me out. The intention of me voting there garners...what?
...And I stand by what I said before. Still unsure how that correlates with the current time. How does this deserve your vote? [Other than forcefully and perhaps shamefully remind me of being forgetful]
Too focused on the others to mention them to TolyK, even though over half the post was addressed to him? Too busy pressuring the
one other person you addressed in that post to mention your main reason for voting him? I doubt it.
Now, Tiruin's response to my accusations was well-done. Instead of trying to refute them, she made them seem inconsequential. In fact, let's find all the times where she says my case isn't very important or is a pressure vote.
...And I stand by what I said before. Still unsure how that correlates with the current time. How does this deserve your vote? [Other than forcefully and perhaps shamefully remind me of being forgetful]
Because that's [the post and everything in it] going along the lines of fluff - nothing building into it. While you do say that you've nothing to add to TWS's case, I'm looking at his case as pressure. You've nothing to add to pressure or nothing to add at all. With nothing behind it but fluff and you hopping on TWS' explanation -- while he did start a case, he didn't mention the causative reasons marking that out as scum if that was his intention -- You didn't and jumped on, but I appreciate you putting your time into making a memetic picture than expounding on your post so I'll say it here...
TWS
Tiruin: Okay, I'm not sure how to take this alleged "phantom post". Can you recall what was in it and summarize for us? Also, does this mean your vote on TolyK was not a pressure vote?
I'm a bit skeptical. I'll have to reread your posts around that time and see if they make sense with your story.
Take it as you will, but I'd like you to answer how that makes me deserve a vote above. It was regarding his only post after mine, wherein I was aiming at a conversation and pinned the thought down for later whilst poking at the rest.
Third, if you're talking about TWS then why are you being obstinate about it? How can I not say anything about his case? It is true - the questions didn't happen. What TWS lacks is why they put the person in question scum; while I get where he's coming from (shifting away from my other posts in focus of that one and all - pressure, I'm leaning on), yours seems like "OMG CONCLUSION" right off the bat.
As an example: if Sheep were killed who would be the most likely scum to your mind? Tiruin, as Sheep is tunneling her, right? The scum know this is how your suspicions would likely swing and so might kill Sheep just to cause suspicion to land on Tiruin. On the other hand Tiruin might decided that she could deflect using this fact, and so killing Sheep would off one of the people who is leading the suspicion against her.
This is me being curious, but how does this line of thought mark me as scum? Specifically, if TWS dies, I'm the most reasonable suspect then? Details behind this curtain, please.
He's the only one who looks like he's voting you for a reasonable reason, so with him eliminated there is less likely to be someone willing to construct a case against you.
I concur with you here. What he's not giving is why those reasons mark me out. I mean, it is understandable given the premise of the votes and such, but I'm wondering on how the logic makes sense which outs me compared to everything else I've done (I mean, look at how long D1 was.), seems like that voting for me (And I'm looking at you, ZU) basically ignored my other stuff given. Jumping on the need for assertion (what I get ZU wants) compared to analyzing via conversation.
So yeah, TWS has the only reasonable reason - it lacks definition but it is justified...Still, on that question regarding if TWS dies - no I'm not shooting those suspecting me. It is common fact that whatever is posted is visible to all so anyone can continue the tangent that the dead man leaves.
Why are you thinking along that line Griff? For one who did some astute play early, I'm curious why you've gone onto this tangent in that manner.
(Emphasis is mine)
That's a lot of times to repeat. It feels to me like she's trying to get it ingrained into your heads that my vote and case on her was of very little importance. Now, the last one is the most interesting. She's asked question about something completely different, and before answering it, repeats one last time that my vote isn't important.
Now, a closer look at one of them reveals something else:
Because that's [the post and everything in it] going along the lines of fluff - nothing building into it. While you do say that you've nothing to add to TWS's case, I'm looking at his case as pressure.
Look at what I said in my case:
Unvote Zrk2
Tiruin: I'm back from reading your posts like I said I would.
Two things make me disbelieve your claim. First:
TolyK: Get in here and post!
You didn't mention your own questions to him. Instead of saying something like "Get in here and answer my questions", you said something that could easily be, and probably was, just calling out a lurker. Now, this isn't very conclusive on its own. But your post after TolyK comes back is very incriminating:
TolyK: Right in your second paragraph, I detect a mixture of sarcasm, and trying to read too much on that little post Vector made. Why?
Tolyk
NQT, what do you think about there being quite a few people here who won't go the "traditional" way (i.e. newbies/foreigners/whoevertheybe)?
It spices things up a bit. I don't think their scum reads will be that different. Do you?
I am bad at reading scum, but books and barcodes are good enough for me. 
More seriously, I personally do think they will be different. Example? Ranger going No-Lynch Plaza,
'Foreigners'? Pffyeahright. That's just biased, in the lightest sense of another word.
Whats so different with Ranger there? People do think along those lines, yes, so what makes it so different?
After that; Why do you doubt (read: straight out refuse) NQT's offer? What liabilities does it pose? Because you do say afterwards a nice "I think we should wait on it and posibly experiment with it."
which really contradicts what you said there.
Judging by the votecount and what I've read into so far, probably Ranger or NQT, with a chance of Zrk. NQT due to his claim, though I think we should wait on it and posibly experiment with it. Ranger due to being "different" in his thoughts. Zrk due to the vote record.
...With a chance of Zrk due to the vote record.
Are you even reading into the cases brought on by people or just stating the superficial details? Do you even care where your vote goes?
-snip-
@TolyK: Judging by your words there, you paint NQT as scum, and yet your vote is...? Still on TWS for trivial reasons.
Not a single time do you mention any missed questions. You continue as normal. If, as you say, you were voting for him because he wasn't answering your questions, I'm fairly certain you would have mentioned them. Unless, of course, you didn't ask him any.
The bolded parts make it very clear that it's not a pressure vote, and why I think she's scum. A bit telling that I say I don't believe her when she says she forgot about it, and then she says she sees my vote as punishment for forgetting.
PPE: Good, Tiruin replied to my question. More evidence.
TWS
Tiruin: The post you found that you forgot to send in, was that all that was in it?
...Yes? Copy + Paste > Comodo IceDragon Library link > Preview > 
> Reply.
Why are you asking me a very unverifiable question?
This is why:
TWS:... Now I get where you're coming from.
And it's only now I realize that my part regarding TolyK didn't send in in any of those posts in between the link and the second-ish vote. :/ My mind was thinking that I did reply to TolyK, and then got caught up with the things in between the post after that and everything in between...
Any. Post
s. Plural. But when I ask her for what I called a "Phantom Post", singular, she gives me one post.
I can't tell from the post that she gave whether it was written at that time or not. Perhaps someone else could look for clues? I don't have time now.
Anyway. I need to go now. Hopefully this is clear enough, I was kind of rushed.
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