TolyK: Right in your second paragraph, I detect a mixture of sarcasm, and trying to read too much on that little post Vector made. Why?
There was no sarcasm in the first part, only in the "extracting too much info from not enough of a sample".
Tolyk
NQT, what do you think about there being quite a few people here who won't go the "traditional" way (i.e. newbies/foreigners/whoevertheybe)?
It spices things up a bit. I don't think their scum reads will be that different. Do you?
I am bad at reading scum, but books and barcodes are good enough for me.
More seriously, I personally do think they will be different. Example? Ranger going No-Lynch Plaza,
'Foreigners'? Pffyeahright. That's just biased, in the lightest sense of another word.
Whats so different with Ranger there? People do think along those lines, yes, so what makes it so different?
Ranger's the person I've seen/read the most of, basically, which is why I asked.
After that; Why do you doubt (read: straight out refuse) NQT's offer? What liabilities does it pose? Because you do say afterwards a nice "I think we should wait on it and posibly experiment with it."
which really contradicts what you said there.
I wasn't refusing his offer, I was mocking the tone in which he said it ("All interested parties" etc). If I think of some way his offer could actually be helpful and tested, I'll say that.
It could be "trapped":
- he could see our conversation
- he could "warp" communications through that channel (i.e. before a message gets to the other person
Judging by the votecount and what I've read into so far, probably Ranger or NQT, with a chance of Zrk. NQT due to his claim, though I think we should wait on it and posibly experiment with it. Ranger due to being "different" in his thoughts. Zrk due to the vote record.
...With a chance of Zrk due to the vote record.
Are you even reading into the cases brought on by people or just stating the superficial details? Do you even care where your vote goes?
I haven't read much of Zrk's posts, so I can't really say yet.
PPE: TolyK.
Good point.
@TolyK: Judging by your words there, you paint NQT as scum, and yet your vote is...? Still on TWS for trivial reasons.
No, I paint him pink. Or rather, I only say that his proposal is unlikely to be pure.
TWS - ?
Tolyk: My current criteria is for those who are overly-reactive to older posts that have been clarified (atleast by my standards) and yet they persist or retaliate. Zrk has done both and judging from the votes i do believe my vote has some power on him. I'm also worried about my own skin right now, though due to the Inactivity of UI, i think he might be the lynchy this time around. (and yes i don't like voting for those i don't think are scummy to a certain degree) Also, sorry for the text you quoted, i'm still trying to remember i need to break lines twice to spread them out on my DSI.
Hmm... this continues with my theory. But.
"I'm also worried about my own skin right now"
Town really should be worried about finding scum rather than surviving, so pointing out that UI is going to be lynched due to his inactivity which could save you seems more like trying to save yourself from dying first day so that you could use your night abilities. Granted, this is also town play, but to a much lesser extent. Do you agree,
Ranger?
Tolyk: Yeah, okay. It's basically the same situation for me.
Also, why would a scum NQT be afraid of losing the chance to use that ability? What rationale would he have for claiming?
If he could see that chat, and people would disclose info in that chat, then he (and the rest of the scum) would have more information. Granted, they can't be sure that info's 100% correct, but it's info.
This thing where people use grayed out quotes after the first yellow quote bothers me a little every time I see it. Though it's not unacceptable. Just a blight on my eyes.
My own inclination is to think that would be very bastardy of Web, but ... I guess that's a totally valid concern. The safe thing to do would obviously be to let him use the ability, and then lynch him.
But I have hard time seeing why scum NQT would reveal himself. Much better to just fire it off and listen in. He could use it to join a manipulable townie and his scumbuddy together, but it would be better to just fire it off at two townies and make them suspect each other on that basis. (Well, actually, I think scum NQT would do his best to behave like town NQT, and this is something town NQT might do. So it's really a nulltell. It's kind of scummy though because it makes people focus on the puzzle and not on scumhunting, but in a closed setup that's not necessarily a bad thing. Just that ... hmm ... it's not a very useful piece of the puzzle).
Personally I would wait until D2 (at least) to fire it off, when I have a better feeling about the alignment of the players and the nature of the game...
... Hmm ... I think I'm starting to see what you're saying.
Exactly. That was the exact train of thought.
It seems like he's figured out what he wants to do now, though, so I guess he'll link some folks up by his own will.
TolyK
Then why aren't you pressing me, Griff?
The others seemed to be doing a fine job without me, and I wanted to focus on Ford. Then Zrk2 got back to me with a post that felt off. And then you showed up and started answering questions so your ranking has slid more towards neutral.
I really doubt anybody will take your offer seriously. So, NQT, why put it out there? Were you expecting people to actually participate, since by your tone it sure seems like it.
Why is being watched your main issue? Would you automatically assume whoever is in the chat with you is town?
Being watched means that you can't completely coordinate. Well, you can coordinate, but your plans can be spoiled etc.
I wouldn't assume anything (ass-u-me is the trick here
)
Alright, now I see why folks are going after Zrk2. Noted.
So potential lynch victims for D 1:
RangerCado: 3 votes
Zrk2: 3 votes
Urist Imiknorris: 3 votes
This is gonna come down to those three who haven't voted on us yet: Vector, Tolyk, and TheWetSheep. (someone correct me if i'm wrong here) We're all good lynch targets to be honest. I messed up alot in the beggining, while Zrk and UI have showed signs of scummyness as of late. All i can hope for now is the luck of the draw.
For what its worth, i enjoyed this game a ton so far, even if i get lynched you guys gave me a lot of tips and i think i'll do much better in later games. Good luck to my... opponents for lynching? yeah, good luck and lets cross our figures that we don't die. (unless your scum, please die for us)
UI is lurking, you did mess up in the beginning but you seem be fine to me, for now. Zrk is being scoped out right now.
Damn, I have one of the deciding votes? Eh, tough decisions...
It's interesting that you're the one who brings this up, and are basically saying "it's OK to lynch me, I understand", though.
Tolyk:
Wow. I guess after typing my answer to the first part, I just forgot there was more. Sorry, TolyK:
I would use it on the person I found most scummy. I like to be sure before I lynch.
Hm, WetSheep, what if the person who you thought was most scummy was already being lynched big-time (by a large margin)? And would you use a role-inspect to see whether somebody is telling the truth (for example, NQT's bold post)?
For the first question, I'd probably inspect one of the most competent players, preferably one who I had a gut scummy feeling on. For the second, if it was one-shot probably not, since I like to conserve things, but if it wasn't then yes.
Alright, then.
Unvote WetSheep, you seem fairly solid.
As TolyK is darn busy ...
Thanks.
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It's interesting. Many people poking at lurking. Lurk lurk lurk, comprises most of what I read in some posts. Why do you people think lurking is an offense in DAY ONE? I mean, you can just log off, then bookmark the quicktopic link and/or view the thread whilst logged off. Do you people think Lurking = Laziness, or that lurking = lack of drive in scumhunting? Because classifying things as "LURKING" doesn't hold much water unless you back it up with the reasons behind it.
I mean really. He's lurking = he's scum for being online? For an extended amount of time, now that's where suspicion begins to grow. For...a few hours? Not that much in the way of conclusive evidence.
Hm. Experiment. If Uri Eye notices that I said this, then he I have a hypothesis. I don't want anyone other than him to answer this, just for the interest. If he doesn't answer in his next 2 posts then I get information as well, and I might pressure-vote him. As I said, I want ONLY him to answer this, don't quote or refer to it until he posts. Alrite?