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[XXSockXX]

I really doubt that domestic violence case would hold in appeal, and private mediators are something, well, private. Families are free to appeal to the courts if they don't like the mediation.

Don't know if there was an appeal in that case. Happened in 2007. Also I remembered it wrong, it was a divorce case, where domestic violence was involved and cited as a reason to get a divorce immediately.
The problem with these private sharia mediators is that what they're doing is illegal, they absolve you of a crime if you pay the victims family. It's come up recently because the government is going to outlaw the practice.
(Sorry, couldn't find english links.)

Actually all the article says about the authors is

Both Sandelin and Arnstberg are established voices among those critical of multiculturalism and Swedish immigration policy and their book has been warmly received on extremist websites and by far-right bloggers in Sweden.

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So they're critical of immigration policy, which doesn't make them xenophobes, AND right wingers like the book, which is kinda unavoidable if you're critical of immigration policies, but not necessarily the author's fault. Not everybody who is unhappy with immigration policies is a racist.
I can't speak Swedish, but Google seems to think the authors are a journalist and a professor of ethnology. How do you make a freaking conspiracy out of that?

I'm Swedish. They're well known.

I don't doubt that, but the article does not actually say so, so it seems kind of extreme to go from what the article said, which isn't really anything bad, to "government overthrowing conspiracy".

[Loud Whispers]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jqzUX8fkMk#t=16
^^^
Italian police join protestors

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David Cameron pretending he has friends ;-(


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And now to get involved in Europol immigration debate

* kaijyuu sees no reason to force anyone to learn the most common language of a place.

It only really harms them. And maybe annoys racists who don't want to hear people talk in other languages or *gasp* see signs/menus/etc written in other languages.

Ha ha, right? I just don't get why the Welsh got mad about the whole speaking English thing.
...Unless some people actually want to preserve their culture; especially important in the demographic changes of today's world. Any smaller population that is being replaced by a new one will either have its culture adopted, assimilated or forgotten. Plus it's incredibly difficult to function in a country's society without being able to speak that society's tongue, it's the first step to ensuring people begin forming segregated sub-communities within 'multicultural' societies by having people being unable to positively interact with none other than their nationality.

Also I'm not too well versed in Sweden's immigration policy, but I really doubt anyone can live off welfare without being a citizen, and I don't think they allow people to become citizens if they can't support themselves.

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Step 1
EU and Nordic citizens register their right of residence at the Migration Board (Migrationsverket) within three months of arrival to Sweden.
 -> Non-EU citizens with a work permit & Swiss citizens who have received their residence permit approval must visit Migration Board after arriving in Sweden to leave fingerprints and be photographed for a residence permit card.
Step 2
Register with Swedish tax agency (Skatteverket), get a personal identity number.

You are now eligible for Swedish welfare, however to have access to the full system of Swedish healthcare, you must register with the Swedish Social Security Agency (Försäkringskassan).
Swedish welfare available to all with a personal identity number:

• Comprehensive healthcare, including general practitioners and specialist care, at a very low cost, varying by municipality.
• Comprehensive dental care, including orthodontics. All dental care is free of charge for children and young people up to age 20. Adults receive a yearly subsidy.
• All children who live in Sweden are entitled to child allowance (barnbidrag), a monthly, tax-free sum paid to parents until the child reaches the age of 16. After 16, children in full-time education are entitled to a study allowance (studiebidrag). A special large family supplement is paid to families with two or more children. Further, if the household salary is below a certain limit, a housing allowance may be granted.

Additional benefits are available for parents of children with disabilities or illness, to compensate for the parents’ time off of work and extra expenses. This can cover children with temporary illnesses as well as more long-term situations. Register with the social security agency to also have child leave access.

• [Conditional without agency - You must also be registered with the Swedish Social Insurance Agency in order to receive benefits after 14 days.] When you miss work because of illness, you receive sick leave pay for the days missed, generally at the rate of 80 per cent of your normal salary.
• [Conditional on immigration status, must also be actively searching for a new job] If you lose your job and have been a member of an unemployment insurance fund (arbetslöshetskassa) for at least a year, you have the right to unemployment benefit based on your previous income level (usually 80 per cent up to a certain limit). It is your responsibility to sign up for an unemployment insurance fund, usually administered by trade unions. Your fees and benefits will depend on your field of work and on the fund you choose.
• Pension stuff [I don't know how the Swedish pension system works, so I can't really comment much].
• Elderly citizens have access to a number of welfare systems; elderly can live in their own homes for as long as possible with support including meal delivery, cleaning and shopping assistance, and transportation services. Senior housing and retirement homes are also available for those who need more support. Costs are largely subsidised by the state, varying by municipality. An elderly parent or family member does not speak Swedish, interpreters can often be provided.

Current research has repeatedly shown Sweden has gone plus, economically speaking, for every immigrant we've accepted. Even if there are people that gamble or abuse the system (and there sure as hell are a lot of Swedes doing that as well), the overall result is still economically beneficial.

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"The question whether immigrants are net contributors to or a net drain on public finances is widely debated. Estimates suggest their impact is small, generally not exceeding 0.5% of GDP in eiher positive or negative terms. However, immigrants usually have a lss favourable net fiscal position than the native-born, largely because they tend to ay less in taxes and social security contributions and not because of a higher dependence on social benefits.
Immigrants' age profile is an important factor in explaining cross-country differences in immigrant's fiscal position, and age at arrival is a key element in determining the net present value of immigrants' discounted future net direct fiscal contributions. Despire this, in most migration stems for the selection labour migrants, age plays a relatively minor role compared with other factors such work experience, language and education. More generally, differences in the composition of the migrant population by migration category (labour, family, humanitarian) account for a large part of the cross-country variation of migrants' fiscal position relative to that of the native-born.
Employment is the single most important determinant of migrant's net fiscal contribution, particularly in generous welfare states. Raising immigrants' employment rate to that of the native-born would entail substantial fiscal benefits for many European OECD economies."

http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/social-issues-migration-health/international-migration-outlook-2013_migr_outlook-2013-en#page161
Graph from page 161

tl;dr
Net loss for the UK and Sweden.
Germoney has it wurst.
Tip top destinations are Germany, France, UK, Italy and Spain in that order of magnitude.

[Owlbread]

If I may briefly interject - in Wales, speaking the language is like a Scotsman wearing tartan or Americans saluting their flag.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Saluting the flag? What?

[Owlbread]

Saluting the flag? What?

Or whatever it is you do in your pseudoreligious flag rituals.

[Descan]

I think it's [CENSORED] with a [CENSORED] and a [CENSORED] who actually is the American flag.

[kaijyuu]

Ha ha, right? I just don't get why the Welsh got mad about the whole speaking English thing.
...Unless some people actually want to preserve their culture; especially important in the demographic changes of today's world. Any smaller population that is being replaced by a new one will either have its culture adopted, assimilated or forgotten. Plus it's incredibly difficult to function in a country's society without being able to speak that society's tongue, it's the first step to ensuring people begin forming segregated sub-communities within 'multicultural' societies by having people being unable to positively interact with none other than their nationality.

Holy slippery slopes batman!

Melting pots have problems and I won't argue regarding that. Re: cultural preservation though, if you want to preserve your culture, preserve it yourself. Don't force others to do it for you, or tell people "you have to become ONE OF US" to immigrate.

[Loud Whispers]

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Also of note is that the text she is receiving is probably the one about the Minister of Justice being sacked.

Holy slippery slopes batman!
Melting pots have problems and I won't argue regarding that. Re: cultural preservation though, if you want to preserve your culture, preserve it yourself. Don't force others to do it for you, or tell people "you have to become ONE OF US" to immigrate.

Slippery slope my arse, I'm stating what I've seen happen in Malaysia.
It is literally impossible for an individual to keep a culture alive on their own, it cannot persist on the lives of individuals who alone are prone to dying and failing. And when one population begins out-populating another, I again stress that a culture will be adopted/assimilated/forgotten. The Hakka Chinese speak Mandarin or Cantonese almost exclusively now, identify as Han and are pretty much going to become irrelevant as an independent community in Malaysia within this century. If you care about your country's culture, then the next generation, whether they be native children or young migrants, must adopt it or it will die. This is how a multicultural society can still paradoxically lead to a homogenous society. Immigration is immediately relevant as in most European countries, the populations are mostly all shrinking with a high old:young ratio coupled with young parents having less than 2 kids per family. Immigrant families however tend to have more. The result is the immigrant families will replace the native ones, and if the immigrant families do not take up the native culture - that culture will be gone.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Does Michelle ever not look like she wants to destroy Hillary?

[Loud Whispers]

Does Michelle ever not look like she wants to destroy Hillary?

That's the PM of Denmark, Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Does Michelle ever not look like she wants to destroy Hillary?

That's the PM of Denmark, Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

Wow, she looks almost exactly like Hillary Clinton. Though this makes Michelle's expression of homicidal rage even more confusing.

[XXSockXX]

Plus it's incredibly difficult to function in a country's society without being able to speak that society's tongue, it's the first step to ensuring people begin forming segregated sub-communities within 'multicultural' societies by having people being unable to positively interact with none other than their nationality.

Mostly this is the problem. Fear of putting pressure on immigrants has resulted in parallel societies, where people speak only Turkish or Arabic and are thus unable to get education and work. Now there are some mandatory language courses for immigrants, but it took many years to even get that far, because it was seen as "xenophobic".

Germoney has it wurst.
Tip top destinations are Germany, France, UK, Italy and Spain in that order of magnitude.

Nice pun.
AFAIK the problem is, we're getting the least educated immigrants, which results in a net loss for the system. If we had a more selective immigration policy (Canada is often cited as example) that might be different.

Melting pots have problems and I won't argue regarding that.

The question is whether you actually want your country to be a melting pot. Demographic reality is that ~25 % of the population under age 18 in Germany has an "immigration background" (which is a very complicated and still pretty imprecise legal term). Now not all of these are culturally different from the majority of the population, but many are.
Being accepting of other cultures is one thing, but what do you do with cultures whose values are fundamentally opposed to the values of the indigenous culture? Should you try to preserve some of your own values or should you accept misogyny, antisemitism and homophobia in your growing islamic population?

[kaijyuu]

Being accepting of other cultures is one thing, but what do you do with cultures whose values are fundamentally opposed to the values of the indigenous culture? Should you try to preserve some of your own values or should you accept misogyny, antisemitism and homophobia in your growing islamic population?

Because of the existence of "human rights," I believe we can agree that there are some expectations that cross cultural boundaries. Misogyny, homophobia, etc have no reason to be tolerated. They are moral issues and deserve to be discussed without anything being justified by "it's just what they do." Aspects of culture without any moral ties (clothing, etc), however, CAN be justified with that.

[Loud Whispers]

Because of the existence of "human rights," I believe we can agree that there are some expectations that cross cultural boundaries. Misogyny, homophobia, etc have no reason to be tolerated. They are moral issues and deserve to be discussed without anything being justified by "it's just what they do." Aspects of culture without any moral ties (clothing, etc), however, CAN be justified with that.

Others would appear hopelessly ignorant as to what should be preserved within culture.

And on that note, not all cultures exist in countries which are signatories to the declaration of human rights. I think it's safe to say that's one facet of Western culture we would agree that immigrants must know?

[kaijyuu]

Well only because I accept moral imperatives as acceptable. Notably these people should be able to argue and discuss with us what those human rights actually are.