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[DJ]

I maintain that creative artists need control over their product so they can make a living off their actual art, not novelty mugs or whatever.

I think art is in a rather sorry state because it's become a job rather than a passion. If you're in it for the money you're not really an artist.

[andrea]

you may not be in it for money, but you still need to eat, pay rent and all that.

[DJ]

Get a day job for that. Truly exceptional artists can work on art full time because they'll get donations from fans (see Toady).

[Neonivek]

you may not be in it for money, but you still need to eat, pay rent and all that.

Yep.

There are quite a few laws that often seem unfair but are there simply because otherwise it wouldn't work.

For example the 8 year exclusive use of a drug to the company that creates it. It is there because creating new drugs is so expencive that without exclusive use very few ones would be made (and even then. the VAAAAST majority of drugs are cheap immitations or 'renamed' drugs repurposed)

[DJ]

How many different painkillers do we need anyway?

[Neonivek]

How many different painkillers do we need anyway?

Actually almost none of the painkillers on the market are "new"...

In otherwords they are all the SAME painkiller. (well ok, they are all the same three painkillers)

[DJ]

Precisely my point, big pharma R&D is just reinventing the wheel over and over again. True medical breakthroughs tend to come from scientists who do it for the glory rather than the money.

[Bauglir]

Yes painkillers are the entirety of medicine there is no such thing as a drug that does something else

[kaijyuu]

Get a day job for that. Truly exceptional artists can work on art full time because they'll get donations from fans (see Toady).

1) Wasting time with a "day job" is never a good thing.
2) That's demonstratively false. See: Van Gogh. Admittedly it's not much different right now, but popularity has never proven anything to be "exceptional," and asking for donations to be the main source of income would only make it worse, imo.


We need to give artists MORE time to work on their stuff, not less. Day jobs are a waste of time, so paying artists for their stuff at least makes it so they don't have to worry about that.

[DJ]

Yeah, well, Van Gogh still made lots of paintings, even if he lived in abject poverty. Being an artist usually involves sacrifice.

And who says we need more art? We're oversaturated as it is. What we need is quality rather than quantity, and weeding out those who aren't sufficiently devoted to their art should help with that.

Yes painkillers are the entirety of medicine there is no such thing as a drug that does something else

Well they certainly don't seem to be working on cure for ebola.

[Bauglir]

Yes painkillers are the entirety of medicine there is no such thing as a drug that does something else

Well they certainly don't seem to be working on cure for ebola.

That is because ebola does not cause significant numbers of deaths compared to stuff they are actually working on (anti-cancer drugs, anti-retrovirals, various heart-related medications). It has killed a couple thousand people, at most, ever. Don't get me wrong, there absolutely is abuse in the pharmaceutical system, but to claim they produce actually nothing is absurd.

[DJ]

Virtually every time I hear about progress being made in those fields, it's from a university rather than a pharma company's R&D department.

[Neonivek]

Virtually every time I hear about progress being made in those fields, it's from a university rather than a pharma company's R&D department.

Well thats because it is FAR more profitable to make a "Ibuprofen altered slightly" then to spend money on a drug that you better HOPE makes its money back in 8 years (assuming you even end up with a drug).

[DJ]

Yeah, my point exactly. People keep saying that demise of big pharma would bring medical development to a full stop, when in reality they're not the main driving force behind it.

[Valid_Dark]

A friend of mine that works at wallmart told me they had a workers meeting the other day and were told they weren't allowed to sign any sort of sopa petition.  Since wallmart supports sopa they would considerd signing one would be a conflict of interest and would result in a write up or termination.

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