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[NativeForeigner]

OB: But he wasn't trying to use just wine to lynch somebody, it just happened to be the most recent part of his case.

I was attacking based on the most recent addition to his case. I fail to see how you aren't getting this by now.

I get that. What I fail to get is why you're voting him if the rest of his case is sound. It's like... "Yeah, you're right. NUKE's probably scum. But that last point you gave was pretty weak, so I'm gonna vote you for it even though the rest is pretty strong." Do you see the flaw in that? Probably not, if I'm right and you're scum.

[Ottofar]

Isn't directed at you, it's directed at everyone.

Ottofar, you say someone having an obscure role is a scumtell?
...No, I'll put it that way. No.
Unless you meant using it as an explanation.

Pardon?

I stated it was a minor tell. I recall only one instance of this, and 'twas Toaster in Totem Mafia, as scum.

[Dariush]

Orangebottle, Dariush: I've seen anger and showy posts used to cover scumminess lots of times. Mind calming down and restating your cases, with just the facts and no showy giant texts and flaming?

OB:
- chainsawed Nuke to hell and back;
- lied about not defending him;
- made an absolutely idiotic assumption along the lines of 'scum Nuke was sane, therefore insane Nuke would be town';
- ignored the above point even though I brought it up twice;
- lied about me not saying 'town Nuke = scum Nuke';
- kept demanding my suspicions in the middle of me questioning Nuke;
- only really defended Nuke from the WIFOMy argument about Wuba from D2 despite chainsawing him himself, as it that was the only reason for my vote.
I probably missed something, but that's the core of it.

[ECrownofFire]

Can't post much right now. Computer access is rather limited.

Dariush: Is this worse D1 behaviour than NUKE's usual D1 behaviour?  If so, how so?  Examples would be nice.

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

Funny how both of you are using Ockham's to attack each other, seeing as you were both scum in it.

ECrownofFire: So...what are you trying to say here?  What is your point?

My point is that it doesn't exactly help either of their cases.

[Orangebottle]

OB:
- chainsawed Nuke to hell and back;
-not a lie, so not a scumtell
-not a scumtell
-possibly not a scumtell
- lied about me not saying 'town Nuke = scum Nuke';
-not a scumtell
-not really a scumtell because I'm not trying to defend NUKE. How many times do I have to say this for it to stick?

Nice padding there, Dariush.

OB: But he wasn't trying to use just wine to lynch somebody, it just happened to be the most recent part of his case.

I was attacking based on the most recent addition to his case. I fail to see how you aren't getting this by now.

I get that. What I fail to get is why you're voting him if the rest of his case is sound. It's like... "Yeah, you're right. NUKE's probably scum. But that last point you gave was pretty weak, so I'm gonna vote you for it even though the rest is pretty strong." Do you see the flaw in that? Probably not, if I'm right and you're scum.

I saw that a while ago. I just didn't address it. The case you three are using on NUKE is the same one I dropped on day one out of confusion. My attack was launched from that platform, and now has stronger arguments.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Basically, the Defcon part is working itself up. Nuke pretty much associated himself with it, so if no scum die and the number lowers, we got a miller type, and we can lynch his sorry ass. No lower probly means other method for the countdown, and then it get's more complicated. All in all, we should know what we are dealing with in 1-2 day at most.

Personnaly, my choice would be on Ecrown. It's mostly meta, but self resurect roles are more 3rd party|survivor than towniekind, and i don't feel like he does much. Will need to do a better read, but it's my gut feeling right now.

In other news, there are plenty of nonvoters around Simple, Darvi, etc. Better get in here and vote, day is comming to an end.

Extendif they dont get in here fast

[Ottofar]

Do not tie the vote, please.

Also, Nuke is a good lynch right now.
Even better would be OrangeBottle but I doubt that'll happen.

[NUKE9.13]

So...

Nothing will be gained by lynching me, people. I encourage you not to do so. I am going to vote for an extend, as it seems that some people are finally getting back to the game, and it would be nice for them to have a chance to do something.

Ottofar: Has unfortunately misleading experience which apparently leads to clarifying one thing into being a death sentence. Ok, I can sort of respect that. Though I must urge you to reconsider.

Dariush: Whatever, man. Cannot take seriously, and evidently you don't even want to be taken seriously, you just want to quicklynch me.

NativeForeigner: I cannot defend myself if I don't know what I am supposed to be defending myself from. I don't care* if you literally do nothing but quote others, just tell me what my perceived crimes are, as that I might defend myself and convince you not to waste a lynch.

ECrownofFire: Having an excuse right now does not excuse past lurking, you lurking lurky lurker. I'm sorry you don't have much access to computers right now, but you have left so many things hanging- you are doing anti-town levels of damage to the game by not responding. I know RL trumps mafia, but if there is any way at all you could set aside 15 minutes to respond to the various things you need to respond to, that would be extremely helpful.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Do not tie the vote, please.

Also, Nuke is a good lynch right now.
Even better would be OrangeBottle but I doubt that'll happen.

Aware of the vote tying , but there are 6 people not voting yet, I ( perhaps stupidly) hope they will get their ass in here and vote up. I should be able to monitor the thread this evening, and if i see a tie i'll remove my vote.  Afterall i think that both candidates are good, just that Ecrown is better

[Darvi]

So what do we have...

ECF:-Same deal as yesterday, plus the fact that he hid his resurrect from us. Auto-revives don't a scumbucket make. Wasting a lynch does. (Also, "avoid a kill"? Who in their right mind would want to kill you? A vig maybe.)

Dariush:-Policy-lynch justified by scumwine. But then again there's NUKE's D1 behaviour so he has some legit arguments at least.
-Replies to OB's demand with a snarky retort. Seriously, even if the question's a load of bull, you could have made at least a half-assed answer.
-

Spoiler: Toaster can we please have one of those please? (click to show/hide)

OB:-Seriously? Everybody? When just asking for Dariush's top three suspects and his reasons would be enough? Even though he does it afterwards, I get the feeling that he's actively trying to make Dariush's life hard.
-"No I'm not chainsawing Dariush because then I'd be refuting all his arguments". No. You are chainsawing because of one flaw (albeit a huge one, but only one nevertheless) in his arguments. "NO YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE A IS WRONG SO I DONT CARE IF B C OR D ARE RIGHT YOU ARE WRONG ANYWAY" You are still chainsawing him.
-Oh, this one is golden.

...I distinctly remember you saying in the very post I'm quoting right now that you're not defending him.

I'm pointing out that you're fucking lying, and there are very few reasons for a townie to lie. Especially when you're answering someone else's question you scumbucket. So, why the fuck are you lying?!

D:"You said you weren't defending him". OB:"YEAH WELL I SAID THAT YOU ARE A FUCKING LIAR". Nice ad hominem attack there bro.
-

Okay, tell me. What is your point? That I'm scum for daring to attack you?

"I don't know what your problem is but I hate you for it anyway"
-

Nice padding there, Dariush.

"Lalala I'm not listening".


NUKE:-Claiming that Wine makes him less scummy when it's actually a nulltell
- I disagree that trying to lynch ECF on D1 achieved nothing. His revive and him not telling anybody about it beforehand are quite telling. You can't deny it because you used this argument yourself. Suck on that.
-Basically no specific suspects except for Dariush. Which looks like him lazily relying on his townmeta to protect him to me.

Summary:

ECF is a scumbucket and should hang so we can finish what we started yesterday.
OB is a wannabe-chainsaw murderer and should hang tomorrow.
Dariush is a lazy bag of flames and should seriously focus less on the insulting and more on actually accomplishing stuff. Also he should stop drinking.
NUKE... I dunno. Yesterday I was fairly certain that he was a jester but... he's kinda sending mixed signals. And few of them town-like.

[Ottofar]

At least we're not tied, anymore.

But I'm fairly sure ECoF is an SK. It would be smart for an SK to kill probable scum, like NUKE, or OB.
Also, likewise for scum, to kill an SK.

Ah well.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

At least we're not tied, anymore.

But I'm fairly sure ECoF is an SK. It would be smart for an SK to kill probable scum, like NUKE, or OB.
Also, likewise for scum, to kill an SK.

Ah well.

I would argue that it's better to get rid of sources of kill. If there is a sk and we romove him, it would reduce Nk to 1, and give us ample time to find the remaining scum.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Dariush: OrangeBottle
Powder Miner:
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425:
NativeForeigner:
Jack A T:
Darvi:
Urist_McArathos:
Nuke9.13: Dariush, Ottofar, NativeForeigner, ECrownofFire
Simple:
ECrownofFire: Jack A T, Think0028, Nuke9.13, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Darvi

No Lynch:

Not Voting: Simple, Urist_McArathos, Powder Miner, Andrew425, Urist Imiknorris


Day 2 will last until Friday, 12/9 at 11 PM EST, ~8 hours from now.


Two requests to extend.  Five total needed to extend the day until Monday.

[Ottofar]

it would reduce Nk to 1

Two. There were three deaths.

[Darvi]

Let's not read too much into the amount of deaths, shall we? There could've been a vig or maybe somebody gave one of the victims a supersaint ability. I don't know and really don't care about it.