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[Darvi]

Can't. I meant can't.

[NativeForeigner]

This is entirely too silly.

By silly I mean stupid.

NUKE is obvscum, even ignoring all the wine, which seems to be the only damn thing he can defend himself from. OB is chainsawing like crazy and attacking Dariush even though I'm doing the same thing as Dariush... not even an offense worth attacking over, really. I mean, what's so bad about continuing an attack from D1 despite the fact that one tiny portion of it is soaked in wine, now? Even ignoring that part, NUKE is still scum. OB probably is, too.

I'm guessing NUKE sent in a picture of a nuke or something and the DEFCON is related to him. Two theories on the DEFCON:

1) It's the number of scum left and if we lynch all the scum expect NUKE, he explodes and kills us all.
2) It's the number of days we have left before NUKE explodes and kills us all.

That's the only reason I can think of that NUKE's buddies would be defending him so hard.

[NUKE9.13]

NUKE is obvscum, even ignoring all the wine, which seems to be the only damn thing he can defend himself from.

Explain.
As far as I can tell, if one ignores the wine, you have no case.

NUKE. It's not hard to believe that Wubba would stir up wine by defending you to create even more wine after he flipped.

This is all I have seen from you against me. Unless I missed something?

[NativeForeigner]

How convenient that you forget what Wubba was defending you from on D1. That doesn't just disappear.

[NUKE9.13]

How convenient that you forget what Wubba was defending you from on D1. That doesn't just disappear.

Ah, right. D1 stuff.
Sorry, I defended myself against a lot of stuff D1. I hate to be lazy, but could you summarize your D1 case against me?

[NativeForeigner]

How convenient that you forget what Wubba was defending you from on D1. That doesn't just disappear.

Ah, right. D1 stuff.
Sorry, I defended myself against a lot of stuff D1. I hate to be lazy, but could you summarize your D1 case against me?

I would just be parroting what's already been said by others. If you really want the reference, I'll post links when I get back from my final.

[Powder Miner]

Thank God this calmed down, otherwise I wouldn't have posted.

Native:
I suspect that it's the latter- 5 is not an arbitrary number, as DEFCON has 5 well-defined levels with five being the lowest, so it would have to be a big coincidence for five scum to be there to fit int hat. Also, don't you think onyl one third party and a party of 5 scum would be a bit weird and unbalanced? (although that's Toaster's decision, not going to try to outguess him here.)

Also one more thing.

Please stop spouting wine, fighting that wine with wine and fighting that wine with wine using wine.
It's confusing and it helps noone, and it's left me unsure what to do.

[Orangebottle]

Now that I've taken some time(and delicious food) to calm down...

This is entirely too silly.

By silly I mean stupid.

NUKE is obvscum, even ignoring all the wine, which seems to be the only damn thing he can defend himself from. OB is chainsawing like crazy and attacking Dariush even though I'm doing the same thing as Dariush... not even an offense worth attacking over, really. I mean, what's so bad about continuing an attack from D1 despite the fact that one tiny portion of it is soaked in wine, now? Even ignoring that part, NUKE is still scum. OB probably is, too.

I was pressuring Dariush first. He reacted(poorly) by dodging my questions and pissing me off. Plus, he lied when answering a question. My vote is staying there, for now.

To answer your question, I wasn't attacking him about continuing the attack. I was attacking for trying to use wine to lynch someone. I'm pretty sure I've said this before.

You aren't even trying. I don't care what point you're trying to make. For the second post in a row you're ignoring my point. Go fuck yourself.

Okay, tell me. What is your point? That I'm scum for daring to attack you?

[NativeForeigner]

Thank God this calmed down, otherwise I wouldn't have posted.

Native:
I suspect that it's the latter- 5 is not an arbitrary number, as DEFCON has 5 well-defined levels with five being the lowest, so it would have to be a big coincidence for five scum to be there to fit int hat. Also, don't you think onyl one third party and a party of 5 scum would be a bit weird and unbalanced? (although that's Toaster's decision, not going to try to outguess him here.)

We had 18 people sign up, so it's not impossible that there are five scum and a possible third party, that would still leave twelve townies. Also, I'm aware that five is the lowest level, if you'll look again, you'll notice that I said once the rest of the scumteam was gone, meaning that as we lynch scum and don't hit whatever's causing the DEFCON, it gets closer to blowing up and thus more dangerous. However, I'm also leaning towards the latter, simply because a timed nuke seems more likely than a nuke tied to who's alive. In any case, just a theory about why people seem so willing to defend NUKE.

Also one more thing.

Please stop spouting wine, fighting that wine with wine and fighting that wine with wine using wine.
It's confusing and it helps noone, and it's left me unsure what to do.

Is this directed at me? Doesn't seem like it should be.

OB: But he wasn't trying to use just wine to lynch somebody, it just happened to be the most recent part of his case.

[Powder Miner]

Isn't directed at you, it's directed at everyone.

Ottofar, you say someone having an obscure role is a scumtell?
...No, I'll put it that way. No.
Unless you meant using it as an explanation.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Dariush: OrangeBottle
Powder Miner:
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425:
NativeForeigner:
Jack A T:
Darvi:
Urist_McArathos:
Nuke9.13: Dariush, Ottofar, NativeForeigner, ECrownofFire
Simple:
ECrownofFire: Jack A T, Think0028, Nuke9.13

No Lynch:

Not Voting: Simple, Darvi, Urist_McArathos, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Powder Miner, Andrew425, Urist Imiknorris


Day 2 will last until Friday, 12/9 at 11 PM EST, ~23 hours from now.


Think0028 and Mysteriousbluepuppet have been prodded.

[Think0028]

Responding to prod: my internet connection has been obscenely shoddy today, after interviews + presentations yesterday. Took a half hour of trying just to load this page. I'll have content up soon if possible, but wanted to get that out there.

[Jack A T]

Jack:

What are your thoughts on the actual scumminess of people?  You posted a lot of two questions, but not many opinions.

Notable thoughts:
*ECrownofFire is probably scum.  In addition to the stuff from D1 (which he hasn't really defended or tried to fix), there's a bit more question evasion.
*NUKE, you feel pretty much like yourself.  I don't have a very solid read on you, due to you falling well within what I see as your meta.  I will be rereading your games, though, to see if Dariush has a point about your meta.
*Dariush feels like Dariush.  He is focusing way too much on you, NUKE, but he does that.  I really don't like the extremely blatant question evasion, though.  Third pick.
*Orangebottle is my second pick, and coming close to the top.

There's also the fact that both of your answers are basically equal. It's like going up to a tree and saying,"Hurr, this bark is brown, but this over here is a lighter brown." It's still fucking brown!
Likewise, you basically just said,"Hurr, NUKE's townmeta = NUKE's scummeta."

Seriously, OB?  That's not what Dariush said.  What he said was more like "NUKE's scummeta = exaggerated version of NUKE's townmeta."  But to you, that means there's no difference, clearly.  I'm amazed.

Also, this:

I'm not defending NUKE you sack of shit. As I said before(but no, the high-and-mighty Dariush can't be bothered to actually read my fucking posts), if I were defending NUKE I would attack every point against him. Which is exactly what you want me to do. Why the flying fuck are you trying to get me to actually defend NUKE?

Orangebottle: Why, when you're attacking people for using WIFOM against NUKE, are you using WIFOM to defend yourself?  Actually, why are you using WIFOM to defend yourself at all?

Parts of my opinions are likely to change upon my reread of NUKE games.

Dariush: Is this worse D1 behaviour than NUKE's usual D1 behaviour?  If so, how so?  Examples would be nice.

When Nuke is town, he rants for a while about RVS, tunnels me a bit and gets to playing. When he is scum, he pointedly tries to be as jesterlike as humanly possible (check), spends whole D1 doing jackshit (check) and tunnels me to hell and back (...half check). (see Ockham's and Totem)  And now he managed to top it off by his ridiculous no-lynch plan.

Funny how both of you are using Ockham's to attack each other, seeing as you were both scum in it.

ECrownofFire: So...what are you trying to say here?  What is your point?

[Think0028]

Crown, you are not exactly the best person to talk of lacking content. But whatever.
Here's some content:
Why would a pro-town figure have an autorevive?

Are you really expecting anything from an argument from flavor in a BYOR? That's pretty much the last place you go looking for flavor that makes sense.

How in the world is that arguing from flavor? He's arguing from the basis of balance and design, not flavor. And this doesn't address the question I've already asked, among other people, about why you didn't bother telling anyone about your revival if you were town.

Orangebottle, Dariush: I've seen anger and showy posts used to cover scumminess lots of times. Mind calming down and restating your cases, with just the facts and no showy giant texts and flaming?

[Orangebottle]

OB: But he wasn't trying to use just wine to lynch somebody, it just happened to be the most recent part of his case.

I was attacking based on the most recent addition to his case. I fail to see how you aren't getting this by now.

There's also the fact that both of your answers are basically equal. It's like going up to a tree and saying,"Hurr, this bark is brown, but this over here is a lighter brown." It's still fucking brown!
Likewise, you basically just said,"Hurr, NUKE's townmeta = NUKE's scummeta."

Seriously, OB?  That's not what Dariush said.  What he said was more like "NUKE's scummeta = exaggerated version of NUKE's townmeta."  But to you, that means there's no difference, clearly.  I'm amazed.

He used Ockham's as an example, where the same thing that always happens happened as far as NUKE is concerned. NUKE wasn't the one exaggerating his townmeta in that game.

I'm not defending NUKE you sack of shit. As I said before(but no, the high-and-mighty Dariush can't be bothered to actually read my fucking posts), if I were defending NUKE I would attack every point against him. Which is exactly what you want me to do. Why the flying fuck are you trying to get me to actually defend NUKE?

Orangebottle: Why, when you're attacking people for using WIFOM against NUKE, are you using WIFOM to defend yourself?  Actually, why are you using WIFOM to defend yourself at all?

I'm pretty sure that's how you defend someone, and not WIFOM at all. I mean, sure, you could go,"Maybe he wants me to think he's not defending NUKE." And that would be exactly correct, because my intent is not to defend NUKE, but to attack Dariush, which is why I'm not trying to refute the rest of everyone's case against him. As for the "He wants me to think that he's defending NUKE," that's just stupid and I don't really need to explain why that's stupid.

Orangebottle, Dariush: I've seen anger and showy posts used to cover scumminess lots of times. Mind calming down and restating your cases, with just the facts and no showy giant texts and flaming?

I think I've done this before, but:
-Question dodging(A single opinion, on everyone who isn't NUKE?)[He's dodged the same rephrased question three times. A very simple one, I might add.]
-Lying about previous games.(When NUKE is town...)[Here's a link to Ockham's Mafia where little of what he said happened actually happened. Centered right on NUKE's first post.]