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[ECrownofFire]

Personnaly, my choice would be on Ecrown. It's mostly meta, but self resurect roles are more 3rd party|survivor than towniekind, and i don't feel like he does much. Will need to do a better read, but it's my gut feeling right now.

What the fuck did you think you were doing, MBP? Just dropping in to vote me for a bullshit reason AND tying the vote.

You've done pretty much nothing this entire game but sit there and toss a vote on the latest bandwagon.

Also while I'm here, Extend.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Was voting for you, who happen to be my best guess on scum. Reactions like that only reassure me on a good choice. Also, it's not tied anymore, you are on the block, deary.

[Andrew425]

I thought I had already voted...

Anyways my vote is for NUKE because of his no lynch policy and the fact that webadict was scum.

Though I will also vote for an Extend so I can have more time

[Jack A T]

Extend.

More content is being written, but I tend to take a while writing my posts/pacing in the middle of writing them/eating dinner, so I'll start with leaving this last required extension request here.

[Jack A T]

ECrownofFire: So...what are you trying to say here?  What is your point?

My point is that it doesn't exactly help either of their cases.

ECrownofFire: Why not?  Both of them being scum in Ockham's doesn't make them unable to see each others' actions in that game.

There's also the fact that both of your answers are basically equal. It's like going up to a tree and saying,"Hurr, this bark is brown, but this over here is a lighter brown." It's still fucking brown!
Likewise, you basically just said,"Hurr, NUKE's townmeta = NUKE's scummeta."

Seriously, OB?  That's not what Dariush said.  What he said was more like "NUKE's scummeta = exaggerated version of NUKE's townmeta."  But to you, that means there's no difference, clearly.  I'm amazed.

He used Ockham's as an example, where the same thing that always happens happened as far as NUKE is concerned. NUKE wasn't the one exaggerating his townmeta in that game.

Orangebottle: So...your reaction to my comment is to almost completely ignore it, and just restate a different part of your case?  That's certainly a sign of townieness.  Care to actually respond to my comment?

As another member of the scumteam from Ockham's, I'm pretty sure the plan was to have NUKE and Dariush basically spend much of every day bickering uselessly with each other, which they did.

Rereading Ockham's has led to me having a nice question for Dariush, which is at the bottom of this post.

I'm not defending NUKE you sack of shit. As I said before(but no, the high-and-mighty Dariush can't be bothered to actually read my fucking posts), if I were defending NUKE I would attack every point against him. Which is exactly what you want me to do. Why the flying fuck are you trying to get me to actually defend NUKE?

Orangebottle: Why, when you're attacking people for using WIFOM against NUKE, are you using WIFOM to defend yourself?  Actually, why are you using WIFOM to defend yourself at all?

I'm pretty sure that's how you defend someone, and not WIFOM at all. I mean, sure, you could go,"Maybe he wants me to think he's not defending NUKE." And that would be exactly correct, because my intent is not to defend NUKE, but to attack Dariush, which is why I'm not trying to refute the rest of everyone's case against him. As for the "He wants me to think that he's defending NUKE," that's just stupid and I don't really need to explain why that's stupid.

Defending someone against one point of a million is still defending that person, and that's why your statement is WIFOMy.

Anyways my vote is for NUKE because of his no lynch policy and the fact that webadict was scum.

Andrew: Do you have any other suspects?  If so, why?  If not, why not?

Dariush: Why did you use Ockham's as an example for your description of NUKE's scum meta?  Explain how his behaviour in it fits each of your stated scum meta tells of his.

[Toaster]

Vote Count:

Ottofar:
Dariush: OrangeBottle
Powder Miner:
Think0028:
OrangeBottle:
Urist Imiknorris:
Mysteriousbluepuppet:
Andrew425:
NativeForeigner:
Jack A T:
Darvi:
Urist_McArathos:
Nuke9.13: Dariush, Ottofar, NativeForeigner, ECrownofFire, Andrew425
Simple:
ECrownofFire: Jack A T, Think0028, Nuke9.13, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Darvi

No Lynch:

Not Voting: Simple, Urist_McArathos, Powder Miner, Urist Imiknorris


Five requests to extend- day has been extended.  Day 2 will last until Monday, 12/12 at 11 PM EST.

[Orangebottle]

PPE:Actually, I'm pretty tired of Mafia as a whole. I'm going to bow out now. Goodbye.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

Leaving like that? How unpleasent

[Urist_McArathos]

NUKE:

It's a preemptive defense, and I have to agree it's kinda scummy to worry about being called on something enough to point it out and explain it away before anyone calls attention to it.  Are you so nervous about being attacked that you have to preemptively sore up any holes you see?

May I refer you to this reply
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Yes, I personally would find the latter less scummy since it says (to me) that you're not concerned with your image but rather with scumhunting.  If you explained yourself adequately in response to my questions, anything other than backing off would come across as blatant tunneling (because I would no longer have a good reason to attack what you explained).

I still find it scummy you explained yourself unprompted.  Not scummy enough for a vote, but enough to make me wonder.  I'm getting some scummy vibes from you, but this really bothers me.


Ecrown: It really, really bothers me that you didn't bother to inform the town of your revive when you were about to be lynched.  Even if all it would have done is get it burned that night, we could have extended and tried to find someone else to lynch instead.  Your wasted revive was a huge anti-town move, period.  I don't care what you were saving it for: the second you realized your neck was in the noose, you should have spoken up and saved town a wasted lynch.  You didn't.  Your behavior D1 was scummy enough, and I'm not about to buy that your town after what happened today (i.e., not a damn thing).

[Think0028]

Crown: It's amazing how you keep finding time to make posts and yet never get around to answering mine.

Orangebottle: Sorry to see you go.

Dariush: Fair enough.

NUKE:  Do you have any suspects at the moment besides Crown? Has your opinion about Dariush changed after his debate with Orangebottle? Your latest posts have been mostly responding to arguments against you and attacks on Crown, which is understandable considering the votes on you, but I'd like to get an idea of what you're thinking at the moment.

[Dariush]

Dariush: Why did you use Ockham's as an example for your description of NUKE's scum meta?  Explain how his behaviour in it fits each of your stated scum meta tells of his.

Because I was his scummate and thus knew he was scum from the start. To be honest, I don't remember exactly what happened apart from the fact that we bussed each other from the start and to the end and we didn't conspire to do it. Why are you so interested in that game? You were scum alongside us, you know.

Your latest posts have been mostly responding to arguments against you and attacks on Crown, --->which is understandable considering the votes on you<---

What. Do you seriously consider 'being in danger of a lynch' sufficient reason to bandwagon the person with the second (now first) large amount of votes?

[ECrownofFire]

Crown: It's amazing how you keep finding time to make posts and yet never get around to answering mine.

Yeah, whatever. What am I supposed to be answering?

[NUKE9.13]

Goodness gracious.

Darvi: -The situation as a whole is a nulltell. Certain parts of it suggest I am scum, certain parts suggest I am town.
-Well, yes. In this case, we did learn something interesting from trying to lynch ECoF. However, we also learnt a lot of things without killing him D1, and if we had not killed anyone else, we would probably still have learnt most of those things.
-Actually at this point I just think Dariush is being a tunnelling idiot rather than scum. I do have other suspicions, most notably ECoF.

But I'm fairly sure ECoF is an SK.

And what of it if he is? His 'lynch' on D1 suggests that he isn't scum, yes. But a hostile third party still needs to be eliminated. Certainly if there are no better targets.
And ECF is a better target than me. None of the points against me are really that strong- minor things, at best.
-Proposed No Lynch D1. (Still not sure how this is scummy)
-Was defended by webadict. (Mass of wriggling WIFOM, best to ignore)
-Clarified something before being asked about it. (Not to self-meta too much, but RL Mafia 3. Had a huge argument about the scumminess of pre-emptive defence. Was lynched for it, was town.)
Whereas ECF has pretty much been deliberately and maliciously ignoring people. That alone should make him a better target than me.

You I've done pretty much nothing this entire game but sit there and toss a vote on the latest bandwagon.

Ayup.

Anyways my vote is for NUKE because of his no lynch policy and the fact that webadict was scum.

Care to expand on this?
For one thing, the webadict situation... that is a massive mass of WIFOM. You do recognise this, right?
And why is my no-lynch policy scummy? You said yesterday that it was scummy because it is 'Town's only way to get rid of Mafia'. Well, that obviously turned out to be false. You also said that it was important to 'Look back and see what connections were being formed D1'. Well, no one died D1. Does that mean all the 'connections' are invalid? Does the entire day become worthless for scumhunting because the lynch target lived?
Actually, this is relevant to everyone who thinks my No-Lynch was a bad idea: Understand that what happened yesterday was pretty much exactly what I wanted to happen: people chose a lynch target, but he didn't die. We still got all the information we would get from the day and the night, but we didn't hastily kill someone, potentially depriving us of their input. Okay, the no-lynch was enforced mechanically, but imagine if it hadn't been. Imagine if we just hadn't lynched ECF. Was that so bad?

(Also, Andrew- tying the vote at the brink of the day's end- do you really think ECF is so townish that you would rather lynch no one than him?)


McArathos: Hmm. I see. Well, my experience is that people tend to jump on these little details and tack them on to what they feel is an already flawless case, when the tunnelling threshold lies long in the past.
Also, whilst Town should be more concerned with scumhunting than their own image, they still need to think about their image. Letting others waste a lynch on you is not good town behaviour, and misleading people into thinking you are scum is usually a bad idea.

NUKE:  Do you have any suspects at the moment besides Crown? Has your opinion about Dariush changed after his debate with Orangebottle? Your latest posts have been mostly responding to arguments against you and attacks on Crown, which is understandable considering the votes on you, but I'd like to get an idea of what you're thinking at the moment.

Dariush is still probably scum. He is not averse to arguing loudly as scum. Argue enough, and people will ignore you: the perfect defence. However, I am receiving less of a scum vibe from him, and ECF is just... not even trying. So he is not top of the list anymore.
The best offence is a good defence, I always say. What I am thinking at the moment: Well, aside from "don't lynch me bro" and "RARGH ECF STOP LURKIN", I'm thinking:
ECF is probably third party, so the distribution of votes is not particularly useful for determining who is scum. They may even be conspiring to keep it neck to neck just to fuck with us.
I was thinking OB might've been scummates with Dariush. His bowing out, which angers me greatly, leaves me disinclined to believe this.
Plenty of people have only just joined us for the day, so its a bit hard to read them.
We need 3 replacements. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK RAAAAARGH.
But seriously at the moment I am content to just defend myself, attack Crown, and let the rest stew. There's some bandwagoning and curious reasoning going on all over the place, which will be useful in subsequent days as material for attacks, but nothing significant enough to be worth attacking someone over right now.


Toaster: If you can't get replacements, consider modkilling. This many people needing replacements is just going to break the game otherwise.

Crown: It's amazing how you keep finding time to make posts and yet never get around to answering mine.

Yeah, whatever. What am I supposed to be answering?

Yeah, whatever [/snide imitation of Crown's voice]
YOU HAVE SIX VOTES ON YOU. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING TO TAKE LIGHTLY.
I will be exceedingly kind, and link to two of my posts directed to you: This one and this one
There's a bunch more stuff from others and myself, which you can look up yourself.
But really, the main problem at this point is your blatant and malicious lurking. And this "yeah whatever" attitude pretty much seals your fate in my books.


WOT SUMMARY: ECF is basically entirely unapologetic about lurking. Just... let that sink in for a moment. Then lynch him.

[Dariush]

Actually, this is relevant to everyone who thinks my No-Lynch was a bad idea: Understand that what happened yesterday was pretty much exactly what I wanted to happen: people chose a lynch target, but he didn't die. We still got all the information we would get from the day and the night, but we didn't hastily kill someone, potentially depriving us of their input. Okay, the no-lynch was enforced mechanically, but imagine if it hadn't been. Imagine if we just hadn't lynched ECF. Was that so bad?

Except two townies were killed during the night and ECF is still being lynched today. In short, we simply lost a day. Which was to be expected from your 'plan'.

[NativeForeigner]

Spoiler: Dariush (mostly unrelated) (click to show/hide)

lost

I know adequate Russian.

While I'm not torn up about the ECrown lynch (looking back and looking at his recent actions, he's probably third-party), I still think NUKE is a bigger threat. Just thought I'd throw that out there,