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[Criptfeind]

Wow, if anyone want a definitive proof that faith just doesn't work as a moral compass, here's the worst thing ever : even the Nazi did not exterminate their own innocent children.

It's called scapegoating. And we sure know the Nazi did not do that.

[Phmcw]

Wow, if anyone want a definitive proof that faith just doesn't work as a moral compass, here's the worst thing ever : even the Nazi did not exterminate their own innocent children.

It's called scapegoating. And we sure know the Nazi did not do that.

Sure they did, but not on their freaking own children. They have been one upped.

[Criptfeind]

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

[Phmcw]

I'm not sure I follow your logic.

Those child have been tortured, abandoned and starved by their own family, that add a little bit of horror that killing the child of someone else doesn't have. Being tortured to death sure is an horrible thing, but being tortured to death by your own parents manage to be even more horrible. Must I do a picture, too?

[Frumple]

S'holding th'point that it's a worse moral act to inflict atrocities on one's own in-group (or at least immediate bloodkin) than on the outgroup.

Basically, it's frakking terrible (beyond the english language to properly entail in a short sentence.) to torture and murder children, but it's worse to do it to your own.

It's not actually logically consistent re: deep analysis, but it's a common sentiment.

[Phmcw]

S'holding th'point that it's a worse moral act to inflict atrocities on one's own in-group (or at least immediate bloodkin) than on the outgroup.

Basically, it's frakking terrible (beyond the english language to properly entail in a short sentence.) to torture and murder children, but it's worse to do it to your own.

It's not actually logically consistent re: deep analysis, but it's a common sentiment.

Simply because it add to the person on the receiving end the grief of being done these thing by your parent. A girl was horribly burned by her father and thrown out to die. I think it's more horrible than to be burned by someone you don't know, and starved by him.

Edit : the real point was that was going on were horror of mind bending scale , hence comparing them unfavorably with the top of the universal horror scale, not to make a debate on if it's worse to be tortured to death by a Nazi or by your parents. I'm surprised that someone think otherwise, though.

[The Merchant Of Menace]

I'd say it's about as bad either way really.

[ChairmanPoo]

Wow, if anyone want a definitive proof that faith just doesn't work as a moral compass, here's the worst thing ever : even the Nazi did not exterminate their own innocent children.

It's called scapegoating. And we sure know the Nazi did not do that.

Sure they did, but not on their freaking own children. They have been one upped.

Spoiler: Oh, didn't they? (click to show/hide)

[Criptfeind]

The logic I don't follow is how this invalidates the morality of all of Christianity.

[lemon10]

Wow, if anyone want a definitive proof that faith just doesn't work as a moral compass, here's the worst thing ever : even the Nazi did not exterminate their own innocent children.

It's called scapegoating. And we sure know the Nazi did not do that.

Sure they did, but not on their freaking own children. They have been one upped.

Spoiler: Oh, didn't they? (click to show/hide)

Since I am unable to read German, I have no clue what that picture is saying, translation (or at least context) please?

[Darvi]

Don't worry, I can't read it either.

Freakin' font.

[Detonate]

Since I am unable to read German, I have no clue what that picture is saying, translation (or at least context) please?

"60,000 RM is what this person with genetic defects costs the community during his lifetime. Fellow German, that's your money too... Read 'New People', the monthly magazine of the Bureau for Race Politics of the Nazi Party." or something like that. The RM (reichsmark) was the currency of Germany from 1924 to 1948. It's advocating the Sterlization Law and Neues Volk, basically.

[ChairmanPoo]

It says something like. "The handicapped cost the community 60.000 marks during their lifetime. People, this is your money!". It's a nazi eugenics ad. That they shafted handicapped people is bad in itself, but the thing is, nazi eugenicists weren't very particular when they were about deciding who they were going to kill. Kids with birth defects were on the shit-list, as you might guess, but kids with epilepsy were as well, and juvenile delinquents could find themselves on their way to the Maximum Fun Chamber as well. As I said, they weren't very particular.
At least they used carbon monoxide and lethal doses of morphine on them, rather than nerve gas. Not much of a consolation, though.

Edit: ninjaed.

[kaijyuu]

The logic I don't follow is how this invalidates the morality of all of Christianity.

I believe what he's saying is that using faith/religion for a moral compass does not mean people won't do stuff like the mentioned child murder. Which is sort of... well, duh. One of the big flaws of religion after all is if you get a wacko in a leadership position, they can abuse their own religion to get others to believe their wacko ideas and then you get stuff like witch burning.

Dunno what the whole Nazi thing was about though. Kinda silly to bring that up; Hitler ate sugar and all that.

[Phmcw]

The logic I don't follow is how this invalidates the morality of all of Christianity.

Look if I liked straw-men I'd go read the wizard of O, no need to provide them yourself. If you don't see the difference between saying that faith is not a reliable moral compass, which is an argument often used against atheism "but as an atheist, what stop you from just going out and killing someone?", mind you, and saying that all of Christianity is somehow invalidated, then you need to work on your logic skills.

And the Nazi thingie was just a figure of speech, a bad one it seems. I was not trying to say anything else than, "holly shit, they are killing they own children en masse in the name of Jesus, somehow".