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[Vector]

For the men that do get raped, I'm quite certain running away crossed their minds.

I meant in terms of "stopping the rape of other people."


Oh, and for those who thought I was done....

More statistics, with studies attached!

[G-Flex]

Regarding that article about rape prevention: Just to be fair, the other reason it's directed toward women is because it's on a women's website. D'oh. But yes, the pattern exists in media in general.

[Andir]

Basically, It's like proposing that a rapist is going to read an article on how not to rape.  They just aren't going to read it (e: or care about it.)

Andir is unintentionally providing a good example of this here. The implication here is that anyone who will ever in their lives commit any form of sexual misconduct/assault is already a "rapist" who cannot possibly give the least bit of a damn. There is no acknowledgement of the fact that there's a first time for every offense, and that in some social circles (such as many within universities), there is actually pressure on men to engage in the kind of behavior and thought processes that make rape (particularly, say, date rape) likely or acceptable.

You can point at any one of a million "college" movies where they essentially state that if you are a virgin going to college, you're a loser.  Sure, some try to make up for that image that it's okay in some way or another, but the underlying message is there.

[Vector]

I've never seen a single one of those articles addressed to a man.  Ever.

But yeah, that was a pretty stupid mistake.


Also, Department of Justice study; see page 10 in particular

[Nadaka]

In addition to the justice system and family retribution, there are plenty of public service campaigns aimed at men, "no means no" and others. Not "articles" exactly but they are out there and fairly common. You may not be seeing them because you are not looking for them.

[GlyphGryph]

I have no desire to go over the rape thing again so soon after the last one, so...

American eugenics.  Believe it.

I gotta say, I've never really understood the "eugenics" shit that always turns up. I mean, conceptually, I support many things that could be considered eugenics, but has any other field every come up with a greater number of idiots, assholes, villains and bullshit? It's like evo.psych. for authoritarians.

What is it that draws people to bullshit like this, and then put so little effort into thinking about it? It's frustrating.
I can imagine these people looking at a group of dogs and going "I like border collies. They are good dogs. We should have more border collies. Ah, I know the best way to do that! LETS KILL ALL THE WEINER-DOGS AND GREAT DANES! ONWARDS!"
It's just, like... what?

((This is completely ignoring the fact that "best genes" are so incredibly conditional. Bluh. Idiots, the lot of them.))

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Eugenics isn't even a viable thing. It wouldn't do much even if you had full compliance.

[Vector]

Yeah, well.  Sorry about bringing it up again.

I thought the college women in particular aspect was interesting, though, and that it was important to dig up and bring out firmer statistics than I'd previously been posting.

[Andir]

In addition to the justice system and family retribution, there are plenty of public service campaigns aimed at men, "no means no" and others. Not "articles" exactly but they are out there and fairly common. You may not be seeing them because you are not looking for them.

Looking back at my college days there was one point where I probably could have gotten into some serious trouble.  We weren't drunk or anything.  We were serious friends and were "playing around."  When it came to the point of the act (She said, "___ me.") and I asked her, "Are you sure?"  I got a "No" in return.  I stopped right there because of the ramifications of continuing.  If I wasn't aware of a possibly "life ending" court battle... Some other kids may not have even asked and taken the statement to mean consent.  That whole situation could have gone totally the other way.  She said something in the heat of the moment and it could have been very bad.

[Virex]

Why are these articles always directed towards women?

You know, I sometimes wonder how much longer till I find myself in awaken from a fit of rage with a screaming girl underneath me... Sometimes I wish I could just stop being a man or something.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

You know, I sometimes wonder how much longer till I find myself in awaken from a fit of rage with a screaming girl underneath me... Sometimes I wish I could just stop being a man or something.

Probably forever, unless you have Dissociative Personality Disorder.

[Virex]

Maybe, but still, stories like Andir's creep me the *$^% out. Plus, with the percentage women that get raped, it can't be the fault of a small group of creepy evil guys, so who's to say I'm not one of the "normal" rapists without knowing it beforehand? Who's to say I don't suddenly turn abusive under stress when I'm in a relation? What guarantees do I have that I'm better than the average male? I'd best just keep my distance at all times...

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Maybe, but still, stories like Andir's creep me the *$^% out. Plus, with the percentage women that get raped, it can't be the fault of a small group of creepy evil guys, so who's to say I'm not one of the "normal" rapists without knowing it beforehand?
Who's to say I don't suddenly turn abusive under stress when I'm in a relation? What guarantees do I have that I'm better than the average male? I'd best just keep my distance at all times...

I'm first just stating that I remain very, very skeptical of the whole one in four thing. That's an extremely high percentage for a specific crime, that should be easily seen in one's social microcosm. It isn't, and that's a red flag abnormality.

Secondly, you're paranoid as hell over this, which in and of itself lends me to believe you aren't a secret rapist. People who do that sort of thing aren't normal, and they probably don't think of themselves as "not rapists". Given the type of people who commit violent crimes like this, they probably don't think about it at all.

Virex, you seem to be under the impression that you lack a sense of self control.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah, maybe you should join some kind of monastic order.

[Andir]

Secondly, you're paranoid as hell over this, which in and of itself lends me to believe you aren't a secret rapist. People who do that sort of thing aren't normal, and they probably don't think of themselves as "not rapists". Given the type of people who commit violent crimes like this, they probably don't think about it at all.

Virex, you seem to be under the impression that you lack a sense of self control.

The 1 in 4 could be inflated statistics due to girlfriends getting revenge as well.  Like I said, the situation I had in college could have gone all the wrong way if I didn't double guess her.  If I would have proceeded I could have been one of those four.  I wonder how many were confused young kids getting a mixed message.  Should they be penalized because they were taught to pursue women and they might have gotten the cue to go on?  Communication in those cases can be iffy.

Edit: People make mistakes in life.  Sex can be life altering and I wonder if some of those reports were simply misjudgments of consent by honest people who got caught up.