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[lordcooper]

Hell, I don't even know who the actual villain is in MGS4.

Personally, I find that to be an integral part of the experience.  In real life there is never a black and white 'bad guy.'  Why should videogames be any different?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just for the record, Liquid did not possess Ocelot through the arm thing.  Ocelot fakes the entire thing as a cover.  Basically his entire motivation was being all Ho Yay for Big Boss and trying to make the mans dreams a reality.

[Darvi]

Way to make my spoiler obsolete D:

[Simmura McCrea]

That's a major plot twist, bro. Might wanna spoiler it before Vector reads it and uses maths to prove that you are, in fact, dead. Which would make it true.

EDIT: Oh god, I just called someone bro. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME, BAY12?

[nenjin]

Might wanna spoiler it before Vector reads it and uses maths to prove that you are, in fact, dead.

So Vector is a Mage then? I'd buy that.

[lordcooper]

Whoops, my bad guys.

[Stworca]

Oh god, I just called someone bro. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO ME, BAY12?

Thy heart is corrupted, only cleansing fire can save your soul

[Aqizzar]

Hell, I don't even know who the actual villain is in MGS4.

Personally, I find that to be an integral part of the experience.  In real life there is never a black and white 'bad guy.'  Why should videogames be any different?

Maybe I didn't explain it too well, but it's not that I don't understand the morality of the characters, it's that I literally do not know what any of the characters are trying to achieve.  There's two different AIs that I can never keep straight but they were both made by the Patriots, and there's Ocelot who wants to fulfill his mancrush on Big Boss' dreams, and UN-sponsored forces who want to stop him (for the Patriots?), and I don't know who Campbell is supposed to be representing at this point, and Raiden's fucking crazy, and the entire moral underpinning of wanting to stop Ocelot or defeat the Patriots is kinda lost when you don't know who's actually on which side of the question, let alone the allegiance.

That was one of the things that struck me about Snake, in that he completes his evolution into the Perfect Player Character - his in-story personality is that he does whatever the last person he talks to tells him to do, with a grumble and some smoking, while he searches for a good way to kill himself and end the story.  He just does not care anymore.

[Darvi]

Ya know what's weird, i.e. illogical?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Naomi has cancer. She uses nanobots to suppress that cancer. So far, so good. It's what you'd expect from the setting. Then, she turn the machines off, and instantly dies.

What gives?

[Duke 2.0]

 Kojima does not understand health, the human body and diseases at all. He picked of a medical textbook on field surgery, was amazed by what he saw and made a whole system around what he saw in MGS3. It was medical fanfiction in gameplay form.

[Darvi]

Wait, lemme find that comic where Naked Snake uses the Cigar on every wound he has.

Welp, didn't find it, but this is hilarious too.

Ah, found it!

[lordcooper]

Ya know what's weird, i.e. illogical?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Naomi has cancer. She uses nanobots to suppress that cancer. So far, so good. It's what you'd expect from the setting. Then, she turn the machines off, and instantly dies.

What gives?

Perhaps the nanobots don't suppress the cancer but keep the body alive artificially, kinda like a life support machine.  The cancer spreads and gets worse until she turns them off and just dies?

Aqizzar: I didn't get it either on my first playthrough, but there -is- a more or less logical reason for every action of every character in the games.

And I think Snake is in fact the Perfect Soldier (as pretty much intended.)  He follows the last order given to him while only grumbling slightly and doesn't get bogged down in the morality.  I honestly don't think Snake fully understands every revelation in the series, and love him for it.

[Jackrabbit]

Chip and Ironicus convinced me to buy the third game. I thought it was Subsistence but it wasn't. Still don't regret it at all.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Maybe I didn't explain it too well, but it's not that I don't understand the morality of the characters, it's that I literally do not know what any of the characters are trying to achieve.  There's two different AIs that I can never keep straight but they were both made by the Patriots, and there's Ocelot who wants to fulfill his mancrush on Big Boss' dreams, and UN-sponsored forces who want to stop him (for the Patriots?), and I don't know who Campbell is supposed to be representing at this point, and Raiden's fucking crazy, and the entire moral underpinning of wanting to stop Ocelot or defeat the Patriots is kinda lost when you don't know who's actually on which side of the question, let alone the allegiance.

That was one of the things that struck me about Snake, in that he completes his evolution into the Perfect Player Character - his in-story personality is that he does whatever the last person he talks to tells him to do, with a grumble and some smoking, while he searches for a good way to kill himself and end the story.  He just does not care anymore.

I think that all of the above is a perfect situation for a game that mainly involves the aftermath of a NWO conspiracy collapsing and being rapidly replaced by another NWO conspiracy. Everyone is crazy, no one knows who or what anyone is fighting for anymore and questions if they ever did, and the most sane individual of them all is a

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

dying clone of the world's second most tragic supersoldier who no longer cares about anything in the sightest.

[Akura]

Ah, found it!

I really like the fact that Para-Medic has a Godzilla poster. It shows she(Awkward Zombie's creator) does her research. The liquor and shotglasses too, since at one point(if you ask Para-Medic about Fly Agarics) she mentions that she's "knocking back a shot right now"(she claims to be joking, but it's kinda hard to be sure of that).

Spoiler: I only wonder what would happen if you used your knife to treat a crotch wound... (click to show/hide)

It is mentioned that Naked Snake/Big Boss is sterile due to "war injuries". It's never mentioned(unless it happens in Peace Walker or something) what those injuries were.

[Tilla]

Chip and Ironicus convinced me to buy the third game. I thought it was Subsistence but it wasn't. Still don't regret it at all.

Subsistence was the director's cut, with an added multiplayer mode, extra other modes, and a different camera system.