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[frostshotgg]

There was once a denial mechanic on one champ.

It's long, long gone.

[penguinofhonor]

Speaking of that champ, Gangplank is a boss. I jungled as him earlier, and he is a bit slow but his ganks are still as deadly as ever.

[Dariush]

It kinda sucks that there are no negative passives (that are compensated by powerful actives) or actives that have an additional negative effect.

[Realmfighter]

It kinda sucks that there are no negative passives (that are compensated by powerful actives) or actives that have an additional negative effect.

for better of for worse this is league not Dota. Don't know about negative passives(I know Tiny has an AS debuff on his ulti, along side a movespeed and damage increase) but negative effect abilities? Take Tiny again, he throws a random unit as a projectile. This random unit will be your character at low health into the middle of the enemy team. Because the Tiny is played by a retarded orangutan who hates your guts.

[Rebecca Black]

Mundo and Vlad use health for their attacks, if that's what you mean.

[Rex_Nex]

The thing about passive downsides to spells is that it muddies things up. League likes to use KISS, and for the most part it works great.

[Bordellimies]

Anivia's wall. It has exactly as many downsides to it as it has upsides, just depends on the usage. Alistar's headbutt, Janna's ult and so on too.



Also, does the Tryndamere spin still work? Cause if it does, I want to play a game with CDR and AP Trynda.

[Jopax]

So I encoutered something interesting today. A tanky carry on bot lane. I was Ez with Zilean on my side while we faced Nunu and Ashe. Now, Ashe was interesting, in that she had around 40-50 armor and MRes at level one, also packing a Dorans Shield making any casual harrass I threw her way pretty pointless, and if I did try and harrass her a bit more she would focus on farming or simply volley in my general direction making me scamper off. Nunu could be much easily harrassed but that was pointless too since he would just gobble up a minion and regain anything that he lost.

This fell off after the first six levels but it was quite interesting to see this approach where you basically try and focus on outfarming your oponent while he hopelessly tries to harrass you.

Though it didn't help them in the end, she didn't so much last hit as she insisted on pushing, and we had a jungling Malphite, they didn't have a jungler at all, plus it was easier to outfarm her since my lanemate didn't farm at all while Nunu did grab quite a few minions.

[Graven]

The magic of Dominion Kogmaw builds :

[penguinofhonor]

It kinda sucks that there are no negative passives (that are compensated by powerful actives) or actives that have an additional negative effect.

Turtle stance doesn't let you crit while it's up. I think that might be the only one.

What would the point of this be, though? If you want a powerful ability just make another ability weaker. See: Volibear. Really powerful passive, W, and R. His E is weak though. But that's okay because the kit doesn't really focus around it, and you don't feel punished like you would if there was a drawback ability on him.

[webadict]

It kinda sucks that there are no negative passives (that are compensated by powerful actives) or actives that have an additional negative effect.

Turtle stance doesn't let you crit while it's up. I think that might be the only one.

What would the point of this be, though? If you want a powerful ability just make another ability weaker. See: Volibear. Really powerful passive, W, and R. His E is weak though. But that's okay because the kit doesn't really focus around it, and you don't feel punished like you would if there was a drawback ability on him.

There's Xerath's W. He can't move while it's active. I consider that a negative.

[Pandarsenic]

The trick to that is that a negative passive basically locks out a whole area of play, and generally it's either something you either really do or really don't want. It'd be like if Vlad couldn't crit or something. The only ones I can really think of that wouldn't be utterly awful tend to be the really weak ones backwards (e.g. Ashe - give her a useful E, make her passive so her first shot is less likely to crit if she isn't in combat). Some have similar things, like how Varus has pretty mediocre attack speed until his passive procs. Other than that... yeah.

[frostshotgg]

Only things that actively hinder you are Rumble's passive, Xerath's W, and Udyr's W.

A bunch of champs who get free bonuses to stats like Garen and Varus are actually weaker in those stats than most in their class, until you add in the bonuus.

[Dariush]

There's Xerath's W. He can't move while it's active. I consider that a negative.

He can deactivate the ability at any time after 0.5 seconds of casting it.

Uh, by the same logic Caitlyn's R, WW's R and any amount of dashes are even worse because they're uninterruptible.

[frostshotgg]

He didn't say it was a negative you couldn't end, but at long as you want to get the benefits of it, you're fucked out of movement for a while.