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[penguinofhonor]

Jungle Shyvana can shut down enemy junglers so hard. She's just so fast! You run in and take camps and leave before anyone can mess with you. That more than makes up for her terrible ganking.

I played a game where I was just stealing everything the enemy fiddlesticks knew and loved - he ended up being 2 levels below everyone else in the game. Sure, I couldn't really 1v1 him that well, but he's really damn slow so Shyvana just walks all over his camps.

[umiman]

Why would you use AS blues over MR/level blues? It boggles my mind.

It's always good to be flexible. A lot of junglers use it too. Shyvana in particular comes to mind.

[Jopax]

I always grab MR/lvl blues (except on casters, love those AP/lvl thingies) since i tend to postpone defensive items and this along with Merc's (which are my usual pick) provides me with enough resilience to last me trough the early and midgame phases.

[Graven]

Man, someone teach me to Talon on SR - I just played a game, went mid cuz I heard it be good for Talonnin', went up against Graves... Let's just say the game ended 2/11/8. I had to play a Gangplank after that for a much more satisfying 19/7/15 because I kept running ahead of the group to one-shot a skinny TF.

[umiman]

I take a lot of satisfaction in knowing that Malz handily beats Cass in lane. Hopefully *SOMEONE* will slowly begin to realize Cass isn't the end-all-be-all of mid laners. 

[Smitehappy]

I wanted a challenge so I decided to use some of the IP I had lying around to buy Kayle. Anyone have any experience with her after the last nerf?

[Cthulhu]

Here's a weird one:

Katarina is pretty good against Cass, if she's played very well.  Obviously if she can't play very well she'll be eaten alive, BUT.  Her lack of mana costs means she can out-sustain Cass mana-wise.  Her shunpo is good for both dodging poison and, when she inevitably gets hit, getting out of range before twin fang takes off a third of her health bar.  Her bouncing blades can last hit multiple creeps and harass at the same time, a well-played Katarina effectively has longer harass range than Cass.

Obviously there are better choices, but if you know what you're doing you can pull it off.   You won't beat her, but she won't walk all over you either. 

Also, you were right in the counters list.  Garen will fuck Cass up bad.  The passive means he'll sustain all her damage and past level 6 getting hit with his Q is game over.

[Nilocy]

Gotta keep up appearances : P

Anyway, yeah I stand corrected that Malz does win all the time. Any champion with a gap closer beats Cass aswell.

[umiman]

Here's a weird one:

Katarina is pretty good against Cass, if she's played very well.  Obviously if she can't play very well she'll be eaten alive, BUT.  Her lack of mana costs means she can out-sustain Cass mana-wise.  Her shunpo is good for both dodging poison and, when she inevitably gets hit, getting out of range before twin fang takes off a third of her health bar.  Her bouncing blades can last hit multiple creeps and harass at the same time, a well-played Katarina effectively has longer harass range than Cass.

Obviously there are better choices, but if you know what you're doing you can pull it off.   You won't beat her, but she won't walk all over you either. 

Also, you were right in the counters list.  Garen will fuck Cass up bad.  The passive means he'll sustain all her damage and past level 6 getting hit with his Q is game over.

Yup. Garen is basically AD Kassadin. With the flash nerf coming, it probably won't be the case any more but we'll see.

Katarina is actually a really strong laner. Past level 7 or so, I don't think anyone can outlane her provided equal farm. Her problem is that she's really shitty outside of the lane.

Edit: I also beat a Warwick in top lane with Vlad. Again, so proud (anyone who plays Vlad will understand my esctacy). Hell, I even started with boots and four pots and I didn't even use one.

[Cthulhu]

So tried my first game of Shaco in PvP

5man tryhard team, got invaded at level 1. 

Remember, blind pick normals is serious fucking business, so you better pull out all the stops.

[webadict]

So tried my first game of Shaco in PvP

5man tryhard team, got invaded at level 1. 

Remember, blind pick normals is serious fucking business, so you better pull out all the stops.

They didn't score a pentakill?

They weren't try hard enough.

[Bluerobin]

Eh sorry guys, that probably looked like a ragequit but it was just my internet dying. On my phone for now, but doesn't look like I'll be back. bleh

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, I didn't think you did.

Trynd madded and badded.  Doing something new guarantees your team will be fucking stupid.

How will I learn Shaco?  If I 4queue we'll have some dumb fucker badding it up, if we 5queue we'll go against other 5man teams and I'll get tryharded.  It's impossible.

[umiman]

"Doing something new guarantees your team will be fucking stupid. "

Wat?

[Cthulhu]

It's just a law for me.  Whenever I play a new champ, try an experimental build or playstyle, or anything, my team will be really bad and make it impossible to learn.

I'll play Shaco for the first time and our Tryndamere will try to 2v1 against Caitlyn and Annie and lose all three towers, so now everyone has lots of gold and it's harder to gank.