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[Nicholas1024]

So, random idea. Looking back on Roll to RTD, (which I'd been checking mainly due to the hilarity of important NPC's being immolated beyond recognition without saying a word), I was wondering if anyone would be interested in the similar idea of a game which effectively runs two RTD's at once, but more interconnected.

That is to say, there'd be a real world and a cyberworld, and you control one character in each. However, what you do in the real world might cause changes in the cyberworld, and certain actions in the cyberworld could very well help you out in the real world. (For instance, you might be under siege by robots in the real world, and rather than escape or fight your way through, try to last until your other character could shut down the master control program in the cyberworld.) Somewhat like Megaman Battle Network, except with actual combat in the real world.

Anyway, what do you guys think? I messed around with the idea of taking Roll to roll to dodge to its logical extreme (aka: Roll to roll to roll to .... roll to dodge), but that would be a bit more effort than I'd want to commit to for my first game. XD

(RTRTD gave me another idea, Roll to Derm, but that would be notably less serious, and probably speaks for itself. Although it probably would be interesting running an RTD where the goal was for the players to destroy the plot/game setting. )

Alright, so I figure I'd like to run an RTD somewhat soon, would people be more interested in the cyberworld RTD or the roll to Derm one?

To flesh out the mechanics of the latter, I think I'd create a GM NPC who'd give you quests and such, (like the mod would in a more typical RTD). The thing is, you want to actually destroy his plot, but taking steps towards that goal will result in the GM getting annoyed and more actively trying to kill you. As for why you might follow any of his quests... well, there's lots of shiny gear involved in quests, which you could definitely use to destroy even more stuff... so you'll need to follow a balance between begrudgingly doing some stuff plot relevant, and actively destroying said plot.

Also, any critique/ relevant tips?

[Caellath]

Name the GM NPC Gatleos for great justice.

[ExKirby]

Whatno

Sean Mirrsen (...How do I spell that)

This has been an ExKirby Generic Random Suggestion.

[Digital Hellhound]

Sean Mirrsen is too cool to get annoyed by players trying to wreck his game. It would never work.

[Spinal_Taper]

An RTD where you play as your forum avatar.

[lawastooshort]

An RtD where you play as a variety of animals in the Helping/Diving Exploring Rescuing Protecting underwater elite diving team!

An RtD where you are one of the different components of my lunch, and have to escape being eaten by the GM!

An RtD where all actions and turns have to be done in the style of a minstrel!

[Tiruin]

An RtD where all actions and turns have to be done in the style of a minstrel!

This would be epic.

An RTD where you play Reality.

[Draignean]

An RtD where you are one of the different components of my lunch, and have to escape being eaten by the GM!

You know, I made a suggestion game where the players were a lunch once. It then devolved into Detective Sammich, but still.

[monk12]

An RtD where you are one of the different components of my lunch, and have to escape being eaten by the GM!

You know, I made a suggestion game where the players were a lunch once. It then devolved into Detective Sammich, but still.

You say devolved, I say evolved, you say tomato, I say tomato. ...that saying doesn't work as well in the medium of text.


An RTD where the players are planets trying to foster intelligent life on their respective surfaces! Waitlisters sign up for a planet and provide suggestions for the actions of that planet's species, for as we all know intelligent life is innately self-destructive and, occasionally, brilliantly creative- perfect for waitlister actions! Planets influence their species by altering environmental factors to manage the evolution of their creature (presumably at the pre-intelligent phase,) providing/hiding resources, and directly meddling in the affairs of mortals through religion, giant monster attacks, plagues, bountiful harvests, etc. The species has its own detailed stat sheet, and the job of the planet is to regulate the growth of the species to keep it from getting the power to destroy itself before it is able to avoid doing that exact thing, either through innate wisdom or elaborate countermeasures.

Now that I've conflated Religion with Godzilla, I can be satisfied with my day.

[10ebbor10]

Now that seems quite fun.
Random events could effect the entire solar system. But players would have to have a way to annoy each other.

[Caellath]

I was thinking about a short RtD with the entire premise being a battle between an anglerfish and a sea cucumber because of this:

I think I am dumb and your systems are very complicated. Either that or I am just dumb. I am lazy enough not to do any math, so here is a simple calculation.
Death+Ships+Big Explosions+Not boring = Anglerfish fighting a sea cucumber.

I don't know how that would work, but it sounds nice if I find a way for it to run. Actually I already had an idea. It is ridiculous, but it is an idea.

[10ebbor10]

Well, I had a spaceship idea lying around, so I suppose I could drop it in here. Note that I might use it too, and that it's probably way to complicated for what  you are seeking:

Spoiler: Stats( Just an explanation of terms, this probably doesn't include all stats) (click to show/hide)

Structural Health:(If this reaches zero your ship will explode. If it gets too low making complicated maneuvers might tear it in two)
Armor:(This protects the outerlayer of your ship. If your armor is pierced your internal systems may take damage.)
Patch-up health: ( Infield repairs will add patchup health to your ship. This will be diminished first before the real health takes damage)
Heat: (All things produce heat, which needs to be radiated away or things might melt)
Energy: Is required to make thinks function
Size: Determines how much parts you can put into your ship. And how easy it is to hit it. And how much cargo you can carry.

Spoiler: Ship size, length and decks (click to show/hide)

Every ship has a certain length. This length can be freely adjusted. Adding extra decks costs 1000 for the first deck, 1500 for the next,... Decks are concentrical with the deck with lowest size inside.
Deck 1:  size = length
Deck 2:minimum size = 120% length deck 1
Deck 3:minimum size = 120% length deck 2
Deck 4:minimum size = 120% length deck 3

A ship is also divided in sections, which are between 150-250 size on the first deck. For example.
Ship length: 300
Front section
Deck 1:150 size
Deck:2 200size
Aft  section
Deck 1: 150 size
Deck2 200 size

You need to put the spaceship parts in their respective sections. Every section has it own structural and armor health.

Spoiler:  Structural health and armor (click to show/hide)

Structural health is equal to the size of the section divided by 10.

Armoring is done per deck and section. You pay for the size of that deck/section. Armoring multiple decks is possible
Light armor: 20 hp (cost 2 per size point )
Medium armor: 40 hp (cost 4 per size point)
Heavy armor: 60 hp(cost 6 per size point)

Spoiler: Power generators (click to show/hide)

There are multiple types of powergenerators: Conventional fuel, Nuclear, Fusion.

Conventional fuel generator
Price: 5 * size
Poweroutput: 0- 5*size
Heathoutput: 0.5*size
Fuel required: 0.1*size per miniturn
Reaction speed: Instant

Nuclear fuel
Price: 10*size
Poweroutput: 0- 10*size
Heatoutput: 0.5*size
Fuel required: 0.05*size
Reaction speed: Max change of 2.5*size turn

Fusion
Price: 75*size
Poweroutput: 5*size- 50*size
Heathoutput: 0.5*size
Fuel required: 0.25*size
Reaction speed: Instant.
Reactivating the fusion reactor after shutdown costs 50*size energy

-Batteries
Price: 10*size
Storage capacity: 100*size

Spoiler: Heat management (click to show/hide)

Radiator:
Price:2.5* size
Heathoutput: -2.5*size
Note: external but retractable stucture. Non functional when retracted, does not benefit from armor bonusses when extended.

Liquid cooling
Price:2.5* size
Heathoutput: -10*size
Resource used: 0.1*size
Note: external but retractable stucture. Non functional when retracted, does not benefit from armor bonusses when extended.

Heathsink
Price:10* size
Energy required: 0.5*size
Capacity: 50* size

Natural radiation: A ship naturally radiates Outer deck size/10 heat per turn.

Heat is produced by energy being used(1 energy=1/2 heat) or being wasted(1 energy wasted= 2 heat).

Spoiler: Lifesupport (click to show/hide)

Lifesupport(Includes cabins and such):
Price: 5*size
Energy use: 2*size
Crew support: 0.5*size

Spoiler:  Engine Note: must be placed on upper decks (click to show/hide)

Conventional engine
Price: 5*size
Energy use: 5*size (at full power)
Max speed change: +- 0.5 per turn * size
Theoretical max speed: 100
Capacity: 10 size* size(overloaded engines react slower)

VASIMIR
Price: 10*size
Energy use: 1*size (at full power)
Max speed change: +-0.1*per turn size
Theoretical max speed: 1000
Capacity: 10size * size(overloaded engines react slower)

Spoiler: Jumpdrives (click to show/hide)

Follower jumpdrive
Price: 10*JDsize
Energy use: 10*size per jump
Charge speed: 2 energy*size
Capacity: 25 size units*size
Note: Cannot jump independly. Needs a ship to follow

Jumpdrive
Price: 50*size
Energy use: 30*size per jump
Charge speed: 6 energy*size
Capacity: 25 size units*size

Spoiler: Pointdefenses (Note, must be placed on the upper deck) (click to show/hide)

Laserdefense turret
Price: 250 per turret
Size: 5
Energy consumption: 20
Damage: d6 (Shield and armor)
Hit chance: certain

Flakturret
Price: 500
Size: 5
Energy consumption: 5
Shielddamage: 0
Hull Damage: d4
Hit-chance: certain
Note: Splashdamage, each turret hits all objects inside it's range.

Spoiler: Shields (click to show/hide)

Normal Shield generator
Price: 15*size
Energy consumption: 5* size
Shield cap: 1*size
Shield regen: 0.1* size

Fighter shield
Price: 50* size 
Energy consumption: 2*size
Shield cap: 2*size
Shield Regen: 0.2*size
Other: Can phase through other shields, allozing the fighter to target shielded enemies
Note: Max shield: 10

Spoiler: Others (click to show/hide)

-Exhaust hatch:
Price:1*size
Effects: Allows you to construct internal engines up to twice the size of the exhaust hatch.
Note: can be closed to prevent other ships from targetting it. Weapon/dock/engine non functionall when closed.

-Launch shute
Price:1*size
Effects: Allows you to construct internal docks. Max capacity= Launch shute size.
Note: can be closed to prevent other ships from targetting it. Weapon/dock/engine non functionall when closed.

-Internal Weapon battery
Price:  1*size
Effects: Allows the construction of ship vs ship weapons inside the ship. Max weapon size while retaining full accuracy= 1/2 Internal weapon battery size.
Note: can be closed to prevent other ships from targetting it. Weapon/dock/engine non functionall when closed.

-Internal dock
Price: 10*size
Max docked ship size: 90% hangar size

-external docking clamp
Price : 25*size
Max docked ship size: 10* hangar size
Note: Doesn't allow repairs or refuels to docked ships

Spoiler: Command and reconnaisance (click to show/hide)

Bridge
Price: Free
Energy consumption: 1*size
Size required to be dedicated to the bridge is 1 for every 40 size.

Remote control
Price: 20*Size
Energy required: 5*size
1 required for every 40 size

Passive radar
Price:5*size
Energy use:1*size
Targetting distance: 5*size
Doesn't betray you to enemies

Active radar
Price:5*size
Energy use:5*size
Targetting distance: 20*size

Spoiler:  Weapons(Notes, need to be connected to the outside of the hull) (click to show/hide)

Laser
Price: 5* size
Energy use: 5*size
Weapon points:1*size (divide among the following)
Accuracy: 1 point for 5%
Piercing chance: 1 point for 2%
Damage vs shields: 5 point to increase max dam by 1, 10 to increase min damage by one
Damage vs armor:  5 point to increase max dam by 1, 10 to increase min damage by one

Plasma thrower
Price: 10*size
Energy use: 20*size
Weapon points: 2*size
Accuracy: 1 point for 5%
Damage vs shields: 5 point to increase max dam by 2, 10 to increase min damage by 2
Damage vs armor:  5 point to increase max dam by 1, 10 to increase min damage by one
Range:1 point to increase range by 100

Ballistic weapon
Price: 2*size
Energy use: 1*size
Weapon points:1*size (divide among the following)
Accuracy: 1 point for 2%
Piercing chance: 1 point for 5%
Damage vs shields: 10 point to increase max dam by 1, 15 to increase min damage by one
Damage vs armor:  3 point to increase max dam by 1, 5 to increase min damage by one
Ammo size: 1 bonus point per ammo size (1/3=-2points, 1/2=-1 point,1= 1 point, 2= 2 points,...)

Missile launcher
Price: 1*size
Energy use: 1* size
Max missile size: 90%*size
Missile capacity: 1 (can be reloaded effortlessly during combat)

External Missile launcher
Price: 1*size
Energy use: 1*size
Max missile size: 150%*size
Missile capacity: 1 ( Reloading not as easy during combat)

Artifact/Prototype weapon.
Make up your own stats. Note that finding parts/ammo is going to be hard, and that you need to have a good explanation for why you have it.

Spoiler: Example ship. Civilian small cargo liner. Unfinished. (click to show/hide)

Length:600 Total size: 1350

Front section:

Deck 1: 124/200
Active radar: 50
Bridge: 34
Lifesupport: 40
Heatsinks:10 (500)

Deck 2: 129/250
PD turret(5)
Radiators (124)

Midsection:

Deck 1: 74/200:
Follower Jumpdrive: 54
Shield generator: 20

Deck 2: 129/250
PD turret (5)
Radiators (124)

Aftsection:

Deck1: 130/200:
Nuclear generator: 130
Deck2: 140/250
Conventional engines: 135
PD turret (5)

Power management:
-675
-250
-100
-60
-54
-34
-80
-5
_____+
1258 (Note that while this ship produces enough power to run all it's functions continuus, yours doesn't have to.)

Heat management:
Generators: 65
Used power 1258/2:+ 629
Wasted power 0*2:+ 0
-75 (Natural radiation)
-620 (radiators)

Cargo: 604

Spoiler:  Movement (click to show/hide)

The engines change your current speed. When the engines are off you continue to drift to space. If you are moving towards planets or suns, you get a speed bonus (25 for suns, others depending on size of planets(Note that the number is for when you're pretty close already)) When you move away, you get a speed penalty

Spoiler: Accuracy (click to show/hide)

Accuracy has several modifiers. The base accuracy stat listed is based on a distance of 500. For every 50 you get closer you increase your accuracy by 1% and viceversa

Several things also diminish or increase accuracy.
Bonus:
Lining up and firing. Depends on quality of maneuvring. -25% and +25%
 
Minus:
Aiming at a specific outside part: -20%
Aiming at a part protected by an exhaust shaft,... -50%
Enemy dodging maneuver: Depends on quality of maneuvring. -25% and +25%
Aiming a large ship at a fighter: -25%

More to be added
 

Spoiler: Fighters (click to show/hide)

Size:1-149
Armor: Depends on size:
Light armor: 5 hp for 1-50 size, 10 for 51-100 and 15 for 101-149 (cost 2 per size point )
Medium armor: 40 hp (cost 4 per size point)
Heavy armor: 60 hp(cost 6 per size point)

For parts see the main parts list. Radar systems are not needed because of a link with your main ship. Jump drives are optional, but usually unneeded. Due to their small size fighters often employ heat sinks or liquid cooling. A dock inside your main ship is advisable.

Spoiler: Missiles (click to show/hide)

Missiles follow about the same rules as fighters( Unless you make ridiculously oversized warheads). Missiles often consist out of an engine, a battery (or generator in case of the larger ones) and sometimes a shield generator

Spoiler: Missiles warheads
Warheads

Plasma warhead:
Price: 10*size
Weapon points: 4 * size
Damage vs shields: 5 point to increase max dam by 2, 10 to increase min damage by 2
Damage vs armor:  5 point to increase max dam by 1, 10 to increase min damage by one

Conventional warhead:
Price: 2*size
Weapon points: 2 * size
Piercing chance: 1 point for 5%
Damage vs shields: 5 point to increase max dam by 1, 9 to increase min damage by one
Damage vs armor:  2 point to increase max dam by 1, 4 to increase min damage by one

Mass warhead:
Price: 1*size
Weapon points: 1 * size
Piercing chance: 1 point for 5%
Shield piercing ability: 2 points for every 5 shield hp points ignored
Damage vs armor:  2 point to increase max dam by 1, 4 to increase min damage by one

Other: Make up your own
[/spoiler (click to show/hide)

[spoiler= Player stats]
20 points to divide amont the following. Every skill starts out on 4 and can be diminished to 2(Note that in that case an action undertaken in that skill has 2 posible ends: Extreme failure and Minor succes).

Close combat skill:
Ranged combat skill
Shipvsship weaponry skill:
Medical skill:
Mechanics skill: (Patchups, operating machiner and stuff fall under this)
Engeneering skill: (Permanent repairs and construction fall under this)
Social skill:
Piloting(Fighters):
Piloting( Large ships):

Other skills ( Make up your own if you think I forgot something.)

Spoiler: Possible player buying things (click to show/hide)

Advanced tool kit: 500
+1 to mechanics/engineering.

EVA suit: 250

This is getting complicated. If I ever use it I will make it a one ship only game.

Intended player budget: 10.000- 25.000 for the captain. 1.000-2.000 for individual crew members. Amount of player spots: 6

I more or less finished it. No I only need balancing ideas. Ideas for player equipable items and people saying they are willing through look throug hthis overly complicated but versatile system.( Really, it supports space bases missiles, fighters , capital ships, ...). It also allows you to dive into the sun, planets, moons, black holes and a whole lot of other thingies.

Edit: Also, wow, Caellath made the 4000^the post

[Skyrunner]

Thoughts:

1. It's not only complicated, its hideously complicated >.>
2. Suggestion: Dividing rules into multiple sections, a lá the US tax forms. Make a 1040EZ, for small/simple ships, a 1040A for most ships, and a full-fledged section with all teh rules for those capital ships, or those minmaxed ships with the most customizing.

  Suggestion addendum : Rules-EZ = Ships such as drones, or fighters, using only the rules for 1 deck, no jump-drive, and a couple others?

3. If you only make a single-ship game, it kinda defeats the purpose of being all-encompassing. You could probably trim down the rules for corner cases (like a black-hole diving ship with hyperdrives but no engine, unmanned, and as short as possible..)T

4. Rational for 'sections'? Possible alternative, add 'fore' or 'aft' to every single part as the players wish. Some parts don't matter as to their location ...

[10ebbor10]

Thoughts:

1. It's not only complicated, its hideously complicated >.>
2. Suggestion: Dividing rules into multiple sections, a lá the US tax forms. Make a 1040EZ, for small/simple ships, a 1040A for most ships, and a full-fledged section with all teh rules for those capital ships, or those minmaxed ships with the most customizing.

  Suggestion addendum : Rules-EZ = Ships such as drones, or fighters, using only the rules for 1 deck, no jump-drive, and a couple others?

3. If you only make a single-ship game, it kinda defeats the purpose of being all-encompassing. You could probably trim down the rules for corner cases (like a black-hole diving ship with hyperdrives but no engine, unmanned, and as short as possible..)T

4. Rational for 'sections'? Possible alternative, add 'fore' or 'aft' to every single part as the players wish. Some parts don't matter as to their location ...

1. Kinda, kinda
2. Point is that most rules apply for all ships. I see what I can do.
3.Their might be other ships (NPC's) too. At the moment there are no really rules for corner cases. ( A short no engine black hole diving ship will end up quit smal, as will everything else that drops into it.) Besides, the players will probably buy fighters and missiles.
4. They are important for internal part damage and such. Also, because each part has it own armor and structural damage rating, they quite help when I have to break one in pieces.( Players could focus fire on a certain section of the ship to break it in two)
 

[Skyrunner]

I think having either/both an automated character sheet (easily whipped up in Google Docs), and a character generator(not so easily whipped up) could help some. The many multiplications and references are pretty confusing...

Having a character sheet could allow you to have more than one ship easily.


4. Couldn't you ad-hoc that? Especially, consider the fact that there isn't a 'middle' section, only aft and fore...>.>