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[Aklyon]

Jesus, at this rate we are going to have a peasant revolt with pitchforks.

* Aklyon goes to find torches*

[Phmcw]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9550486
Obama keep waging his war against transparency within the government. Well frankly, Aqizzar, I don't know why you even bother anymore. Palin/Obama are two face of the same system (of a down).

[Aqizzar]

You wanna know why I do it?  You want to know what keeps me waking up day in and day out, mashing that doorstep and stamping that touchscreen?  I'll tell you what.

-Aqizzar
-Ein
-Vector (And her eagle)
-Toady One
-Blue Emu
-Myself (CUZ I WANTZ MOAR POWERZ)

We need a slogan!

[Strife26]

Because at the end of the day, American democracy sucks, but it still provides the best framework for progress? That's usually my conclusion to my moral problem of supporting the flawed institutions that I support. Of course, I also believe that I'm subject to damnation because of it, so it might not be the best argument.

[Phmcw]

You wanna know why I do it?  You want to know what keeps me waking up day in and day out, mashing that doorstep and stamping that touchscreen?  I'll tell you what.

-Aqizzar
-Ein
-Vector (And her eagle)
-Toady One
-Blue Emu
-Myself (CUZ I WANTZ MOAR POWERZ)

We need a slogan!

Nice pirouette, but you should just admit it : reforming the system by voting democrats is impossible ; just like reforming Belgium by voting socialists, or green. Everybody has done that here, they had an overwhelming majority, and for what?

We need a government where the citizen is at the center of the law. We need autodetermination, we need direct democracy on more matter, and we need more responsibility resting on the shoulders of those who take decision. You won't have any of that by voting Obama.

[Angel Of Death]

I finally think the world is fucked up beyond the point of repair.

*Pulls out revolver and points it at head*

I guess that's it.

Liberal Crime Squad, anyone?

[GlyphGryph]

You wanna know why I do it?  You want to know what keeps me waking up day in and day out, mashing that doorstep and stamping that touchscreen?  I'll tell you what.

-Aqizzar
-Ein
-Vector (And her eagle)
-Toady One
-Blue Emu
-Myself (CUZ I WANTZ MOAR POWERZ)

We need a slogan!

GlyphGryph is ready to fight for the Liberal cause!

[olemars]

While you're busy with your futile people's revolution, I'll be applying for the position as CEO of Pepsico City, MI.

[Angel Of Death]

You wanna know why I do it?  You want to know what keeps me waking up day in and day out, mashing that doorstep and stamping that touchscreen?  I'll tell you what.

-Aqizzar
-Ein
-Vector (And her eagle)
-Toady One
-Blue Emu
-Myself (CUZ I WANTZ MOAR POWERZ)

We need a slogan!

GlyphGryph is ready to fight for the Liberal cause!

Angel of Death is ready to fight too!

While you're busy with your futile people's revolution, I'll be applying for the position as CEO of Pepsico City, MI.

Angel of Death fires a .44 magnum at olemars. It hits him in the head!

Olemars coughs up blood and dies.

[Strife26]

Direct democracy is so inefficient that it hardly matters, plus there's the fact that the average person is an uninformed idiot when it comes to a lot of stuff. You or Aqizzar might do the needed research in every great issue of the day, but even someone like me doesn't have the motivation necessary to go beyond "it'll probably end up requiring blood and iron."

Blood three new replies posted!

Can't really sign on to the squad I'm afraid. Swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . .

[Aqizzar]

Nice pirouette, but you should just admit it...

I admit nothing, because I'm a technocrat; I recognize the resilience of systems in place, and I banged my head against a brick wall enough to know it's not coming down that way.  You can say what you want and need as much as you like, and that won't make it so.  Real change comes from within, after it formulates from without.  You can say I'm a slave to a corrupt system if you want, but it's the only system in town, so I take what I can.

The honest response to why I bother, is because I have to.  I can't not bother, it's just not an option.  And you always have to keep trying.  I just choose to try via pathways that I believe have a reasonable chance of getting somewhere, however it might blow up and deflate along the way, instead of ideas that I know for a fact won't go anywhere on their own.

This also doesn't have a whole lot to do with the whole State-Governments-Doing-Appalling-Things aspect of this thread.  I think you were looking for that thread about PJ Crowley being fired.  It's been a rough couple of weeks for everyone in the world.

[Angel Of Death]

Direct democracy is so inefficient that it hardly matters, plus there's the fact that the average person is an uninformed idiot when it comes to a lot of stuff. You or Aqizzar might do the needed research in every great issue of the day, but even someone like me doesn't have the motivation necessary to go beyond "it'll probably end up requiring blood and iron."

Blood three new replies posted!

Can't really sign on to the squad I'm afraid. Swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . .

Angel of Death fires at Strife26 with an AK three times! They all hit the body!

Strife26 collapses into a crumpled heap.

[Lord Shonus]

Can't really sign on to the squad I'm afraid. Swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic . . .

Ever wonder why that oath is to defend the Constitution, not the government or even the nation, BTW?

[Strife26]

Strife26 looks down at his XSAPI Plates, rated to stop 7.62 rounds.
Strife26 engages Angel of Death with Gilead, a M4 assault rifle, firing aimed double shot.
Angel of Death is hit twice, center mass!
Angel of Death looks pale!
Angel of Death gives into pain.
Strife26: "Medic!"


You'll note that I'm fine with the Aqizzar-esque attempts to change the system from within, just not the LCS attempts at highly violent, self-defeating change.

[warhammer651]

Jesus, at this rate we are going to have a peasant revolt with pitchforks.

* Aklyon goes to find torches*

Uhh... we can buy guns you realize? Screw the pitchforks and torches, I have a hunting rifle and a good amount of ammunition