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[scriver]

...did you just Godwin Bomb this thread?

A Godwin is when you irrelevantly compare someone to Nazis, like say "You want raise taxes to afford universal healthcare? You Nazi!". Drawing similarities between other extreme right-wing nationalist rhetoric and Nazi rhetoric is not a Godwin.

[burningpet]

That was a good point?! i probably missed the goodness in that

The thing that started and perpetuated most of what we see now, was, and to a large extent still is, a religious/ethnic difference. overlooking or denying that, is simply being uneducated.

In other words, they didn't like to see jews having their own state next to their turf.

Whatever israel actions that came to life because of that initial and largely ongoing religious/ethnic difference, is a very poor argument for maintaining israel simply "pissed them off". israel pissed them off, because it refused to be eradicated in a religious war.

Besides, i'd say that even today, most of the feelings the surrounding countries have toward israel, are based and spur from this exact religious/ethnic difference. but, hey, why am i arguing? they say so themselves

[Mr. Strange]

...did you just Godwin Bomb this thread?

Godwin Nuke. When you need to be absolutely sure.

I'd say this is more characteristic of modern Japanese immigration policies that maintain there shouldn't be certain religious immigration, than nazi ones, that, you know tried to systematically kill us all.

Japan is close, but nazi germany was the one who wanted all not of [accepted race] deported out of their country, or at least in small isolated "controllable" minorities, before attepting to kill all the unwanted ones, insisting that their country was and will always be "Aryan nation"... It's clear you are repeating same arguments for Israel, and they are morally wrong for the same reasons.
How long till we hear about attempts to have arabs living in Israel chemically chastrated so they don't out-breed jewish population?

In other words, they didn't like to see jews having their own state next to their turf.

And claiming their turf, if you listen to certain Israelian politicians wanting to restore borders mentioned in old testament. Very peacefull neighbour, indeed.

[Wolfhunter107]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28492479
I was expecting this to happen...

[GrizzlyAdamz]

Mm, the article said when the two groups passed there were 'repeated scuffles' but otherwise no 'serious' outbreak of violence, plus some melodrama at a restaurant.
So, heh, yeah 'was expected'. 

[GlyphGryph]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

This article suggests that Israel's entire excuse for all of this is bunk. Hamas never kidnapped those kids, meaning the Israeli "counterstrike" against them, the homes demolished, the hundreds of people arrested and the passions inflamed, were all, as expected, completely unjustified.

[smjjames]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/hamas-didnt-kidnap-the-israeli-teens-after-all.html

This article suggests that Israel's entire excuse for all of this is bunk. Hamas never kidnapped those kids, meaning the Israeli "counterstrike" against them, the homes demolished, the hundreds of people arrested and the passions inflamed, were all, as expected, completely unjustified.

That bombing of the suspects homes was a complete impulsive kneejerk reaction anyway.

[Leafsnail]

The casus belli for the war was retroactively changed to be the "terror tunnels", anyway.

[GlyphGryph]

In other news, both Israel and Hamas agreed to a 12 hour ceasefire.

[smjjames]

In other news, both Israel and Hamas agreed to a 12 hour ceasefire.

Let's see if Hamas actually keeps to it.

[GlyphGryph]

I've actually been hearing reports that Israel has already violated the ceasefire. Nothing confirmed yet. Hopefully it will hold even if it turns out there was an errant post-ceasefire attack.

[smjjames]

I've actually been hearing reports that Israel has already violated the ceasefire. Nothing confirmed yet.

What even? Why did they agree to a ceasefire then?

Edit: I suppose giving them a half hour worth of leeway as word gets to the troops on both sides is okay.

[GlyphGryph]

Well, they rejected the first ceasefire, and accepted this one, but... I mean, who knows?

Also, it's specifically a ceasefire that allows Israel to continue its assault on Hamas but disallowed Hamas from doing anything, if its the one I saw detailed earlier today, so it may just be the attack was one the ceasefire allowed?

[smjjames]

Well, they rejected the first ceasefire, and accepted this one, but... I mean, who knows?

Also, it's specifically a ceasefire that allows Israel to continue its assault on Hamas but disallowed Hamas from doing anything, if its the one I saw detailed earlier today, so it may just be the attack was one the ceasefire allowed?

I wouldn't even define that as a cease fire. Though maybe it's a cease fire specifically on rockets? I mean a cease fire is both sides standing down, not one side standing doing nothing while the other side continues punching that side in the face.

[GlyphGryph]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/kerry-presents-gaza-cease-fire-proposal-to-israel-and-proxies-for-hamas/2014/07/25/e56775b2-13b4-11e4-9285-4243a40ddc97_story.html

Israel appears to be referring to is simply as a "humanitarian pause", so it seems unrelated to the earlier ceasefire that let them continue to launch attacks, as they rejected that one for limiting their ability to project force effectively during the ceasefire. That one also would have been for a week, instead of the current ones 12 hours.