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[scriver]

I'm very tempted to comment on read to much into the name change from Construction Set to Creation Kit, though. Makes you wonder.

Not really. It just goes better with their new Creation engine.

Ah, of course. Now I'm glad I was only joking in the first place.

[Sergius]

Hell yeah they did. Daggerfall ran on the same engine as Terminator: Future Shock (the first game to have mouselook and polygon enemies, btw) and it kinda showed, and Morrowind's combat system consisted of checking the "always use best attack" checkbox in the options, placing your cursor over the enemy, and clicking the mouse button. At least there was some variety with the different power attacks and manual blocking in Oblivion.

Except when you were grinding weapon skills. Then you would thrust with your mace and/or axe, and hack with your spear.

Also Dark Messiah of M&M is 1st person and pretty damn awesome.

[Acid]

Well, Dark Messiah was pretty meh in my opinion, even with that kicking thing; these spikes and pitfalls were placed too often make it look realistic. It was pretty interesting in the gameflow department, though.

Is there any info about horses in Skyrim? Because if they did add that, I would be really convinced they're actually trying to make things realistic.

[xeivous]

Well, Dark Messiah was pretty meh in my opinion, even with that kicking thing; these spikes and pitfalls were placed too often make it look realistic. It was pretty interesting in the gameflow department, though.

Is there any info about horses in Skyrim? Because if they did add that, I would be really convinced they're actually trying to make things realistic.

I recall a video mentioning horses in a list of enemies...

[Sensei]

Am I the only one who didn't tick "always use best attack" in Morrowind and actually moved to do different attacks? Of course, it'd matter more if certain armors (IE enemy organ-covers) reacted differently to different types of attacks.

[Frumple]

So they're dumping levitation. Any news as to if they're bringing back climbing? I've only played Daggerfall a lil'bit, but the climbing was awesome.

At least until you fell through someone's apparently non-existent roof, dropped several floors, and died. That, less awesome.

[KaguroDraven]

Climbing would be acceptible if we don't get levitation back, I know there are less of them than in other TES games, but some of the mountains in oblivion, or even hills, where near inpossible to get up unless you looked around, which depending on where you where could take more than half an hour, for a road. Climbing or leviation would be better just to aliveate the stress of sheer mountainfaces, and it would allow for more 3D dungeon fun.

[Sensei]

Climbing would be awkward to implement in a proper 3D engine.

[Sordid]

Climbing would be acceptible if we don't get levitation back, I know there are less of them than in other TES games, but some of the mountains in oblivion, or even hills, where near inpossible to get up unless you looked around, which depending on where you where could take more than half an hour, for a road. Climbing or leviation would be better just to aliveate the stress of sheer mountainfaces, and it would allow for more 3D dungeon fun.

Bah, if you think Oblivion was bad in that regard you really should try Morrowind. Oblivion's set in a big bowl with a few mountains along the edges and for the most part you can get from any point to any other point in a straight line. Morrowin's the other way around, with a big mountain range in the middle, so you constantly have to make detours to get around the terrain. Oddly enough, as much as I used to hate it, I actually found I prefered it that way when Oblivion came out. Made the world feel much larger than it really was.

Am I the only one who didn't tick "always use best attack" in Morrowind and actually moved to do different attacks? Of course, it'd matter more if certain armors (IE enemy organ-covers) reacted differently to different types of attacks.

Actually I did that as well, which just goes to show how horrifyingly dull and monotone the combat system was that that I'd willingly trade combat efficiency for some semblance of variety, if only visual.

Is there any info about horses in Skyrim? Because if they did add that, I would be really convinced they're actually trying to make things realistic.

Horses are supposedly in, but no word yet on mounted combat. I'm guessing no on that one. Although speeding along a low-flying dragon on your horse, jumping onto and climbing up its wing, then proceeding to run up the length of its body and jabbing your sword into its skull would be awesome.
But there I go with my Shadow of the Colossus fantasies again.

Except when you were grinding weapon skills. Then you would thrust with your mace and/or axe, and hack with your spear.

Also Dark Messiah of M&M is 1st person and pretty damn awesome.

Never felt the need to do that.

Saw videos of that. Looks fairly intersting, actually.

Climbing would be awkward to implement in a proper 3D engine.

You haven't played Assassin's Creed, I take it.
Also, Daggerfall's engine was a proper 3D engine, there was none of that 2.5D nonsense common at the time going on.

Also: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/01/20/skyrim-s-dragon-shouts.aspx
Is that an actual screenshot? Why isn't the skin of the dragon's wings attached to the body? That just looks wrong.

[Sensei]

Well, I meant where heightmaps are involved (IE those damn mountains). And in Assassin's Creed, there's lots of hardpoints related to climbing buildings.

[Sordid]

I don't think there's a need to be able to climb every surface, I'd be perfectly happy with a compromise where only some surfaces with hand-placed hardpoints are climbable. I'm reminded of The Saboteur, basically an AC ripoff set in the Nazi-occupied Paris. The climbing is a lot clunkier than in AC, but it doesn't matter because you climb much less often. If it's just a secondary gameplay mechanic, then I don't think it needs to be done extensively or even particularly well.

[G-Flex]

I don't think there's a need to be able to climb every surface, I'd be perfectly happy with a compromise where only some surfaces with hand-placed hardpoints are climbable.

Honestly, I think that this is so out of line with the open-world, player-driven nature of TES that I'd really hate to see it. By "it", I mean the game cherry-picking spots where I can climb, hide, etc., based on what the game "expects" me to do.

[Rex_Nex]

Well, they could always do it AC style where EVERYTHING is so damn clad with climbing spots that it gets kind of ridiculous.

"Oh, look at these perfectly positioned diagonal wooden pieces jutting out from this tower, with a giant wooden bar that seems like it has no use at the end"

[G-Flex]

That's exactly the kind of stuff I'd want to avoid. TES is at its worst when it feels too "gamey" and at its best when it feels like you're in an organic, believable location.

[Virtz]

Climbing would be awkward to implement in a proper 3D engine.

Why? There've been many proper 3d engines with climbing. Maybe not the Assassin's Creed climb anywhere kind, but even the Tomb Raider kind of climbing would be better than being unable to get over a neck-high fence.

I mean, the first two Gothic games did it, just to look at an Action RPG example.

Though what bothers me more than being unable to climb up a ledge is characters being unable to move up a steep grassy hill. It's dirt! You can kick your own steps into it! Or grab hold and crawl up! Instead I have to move around and look for a sufficiently flat part to go up.