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[Absolute Niro]

I'm planning on try this game out, any advice for a new player?

Always aim for the head. Harm intent punch to the face has a very high chance of knocking someone down. Very useful if you get assaulted by an antagonist.

[USEC_OFFICER]

I'm planning on try this game out, any advice for a new player?

Always aim for the head. Harm intent punch to the face has a very high chance of knocking someone down. Very useful if you get assaulted by an antagonist.

But only if you're assaulted. Attacking random players for no reason will not earn you any friends.

[Criptfeind]

Personal experience may vary, though.

Yeah. By a lot.

Also, enough 'personal experience' and it can add up to a common experience. Which seems to be the case with some of the issues BS12 has.

[anailater]

Thanks guys. I'll look up some guides now.

[Micro102]

I played Space Station 13 from when it got released, the game might sound fun but the admins are really really power-happy, also, Bay12 is crap, you will get banned for killing people as an antag, apparently you can't do that, though you're an antag.

Baystation 12 is quite good. As long as you have a valid reason for your actions. Randomly going on murder sprees is stupid, any way you look at it.

When the game tells you to kill people, generally speaking most people would look at you killing them as valid and not random.

BS12 suffers from the fact that some of their admins are not in this case most people.

The only situations where I've seen a traitor banned for killing people would be the random shooting spree across the station that had nothing to do with the objectives or target. Personal experience may vary, though.

That's what I'm talking about, you should be allowed to do that, what if someone spots you killing your target?

Read again.

I've seen situations where the antag has been banned because he has killed his target. I don't know if it's still the same, but it was suggested that you let them know that you are going to kill them before you attempt it.

[Scelly9]

Wow. Ok, I guess BS12 can sometimes be a little unreasonable. I still enjoy it more than getting robusted in the face with a toolbox randomly.

[Graknorke]

That's what I'm talking about, you should be allowed to do that, what if someone spots you killing your target?

Read again.

I've seen situations where the antag has been banned because he has killed his target. I don't know if it's still the same, but it was suggested that you let them know that you are going to kill them before you attempt it.

I play BS12 quite oftand have never seen that, while I was an antagonist or while any other antagonist killed anyone.

[612DwarfAvenue]

Wow. Ok, I guess BS12 can sometimes be a little unreasonable. I still enjoy it more than getting robusted in the face with a toolbox randomly.

Actually BS12 is quite reasonable. 98% of the perceived "problems" people have with the BS12 admins stem from playing there with a /tg/station or Goonstation mindset, which is gonna get you absolutely nowhere but the ban appeals section. The other 2% is the occasional off day or mistaken ban, what do you expect, they're human.

I've heard people on /tg/station complain that they got in trouble on BS12 because they were running around wearing a gas mask for no reason. That might seem silly, but we make our stance on realistic RP very clear. Goofing off every now and then is one thing, but if this was real life and you were working on a real spacestation, or any job really, why would you be running around with a gas mask for no reason?


As for antags, they're actually fairly free to do what they want as long as it furthers their goal or makes the round legitimately interesting (which antags are encouraged to do, even at the expense of their objectives. Do you want your green text, or an enjoyable round?). Killing someone because you need their ID is fine. Pleasuring your murderboner and masskilling for no reason will get you banned.

[Freshmaniscoolman]

NoX station is pretty terrible, apparently there is a rule that says: "It depends on the admin whether to ban or not" so that basically contradicts every rule, the admins themselves are racist and IC in OOC and OOC in IC everywhere.

[Neonivek]

Frankly walking around with a Gas mask is perfectly fine with certain logic.

It is this weird quasi-logic people who play BS12 have had for soo long that they completely forget when someone uses it in different ways.

I've had games where I was told OUTRIGHT to ensure I always had a tank of oxygen and breathing mask with me and everyone supported it.

This has nothing to do with logic this has to do with people being incapable of telling the difference between acceptible stupid stuff and unacceptible stupid stuff. You cannot blame people for not knowing the different between the Metagaming everyone does, that has been going on for so long no one considers it metagaming anymore, and the metagaming that is rather similar.

It is kinda one of the things that annoys me the most. It feels like everyone is cheating and everyone is ok with it because everyone cheats.

Worse yet? The justification for it? (that every game happens in the same universe and they are all canonical) actually justifies other forms of metagaming. Wearing a gas mask everywhere in a world where space stations are routinely sabatages? Perfectly normal and not insane at all.

[Micro102]

Wow. Ok, I guess BS12 can sometimes be a little unreasonable. I still enjoy it more than getting robusted in the face with a toolbox randomly.

Actually BS12 is quite reasonable. 98% of the perceived "problems" people have with the BS12 admins stem from playing there with a /tg/station or Goonstation mindset, which is gonna get you absolutely nowhere but the ban appeals section. The other 2% is the occasional off day or mistaken ban, what do you expect, they're human.

I've heard people on /tg/station complain that they got in trouble on BS12 because they were running around wearing a gas mask for no reason. That might seem silly, but we make our stance on realistic RP very clear. Goofing off every now and then is one thing, but if this was real life and you were working on a real spacestation, or any job really, why would you be running around with a gas mask for no reason?


As for antags, they're actually fairly free to do what they want as long as it furthers their goal or makes the round legitimately interesting (which antags are encouraged to do, even at the expense of their objectives. Do you want your green text, or an enjoyable round?). Killing someone because you need their ID is fine. Pleasuring your murderboner and masskilling for no reason will get you banned.

I also recall people being banned for killing someone for their ID. Again this was a while ago and I feel that the rules were particularly strict at that time, so hopefully it won't regress into that again.

Perhaps a simple new game mode would help? Everyone wants to be the main character, and I'm fine with playing the side-guy until it's my turn to shine. I feel that the Bay12 server tries to make everyone happy, but it does so by limiting the total happiness of everyone.

[DrPoo]

Wow. Ok, I guess BS12 can sometimes be a little unreasonable. I still enjoy it more than getting robusted in the face with a toolbox randomly.

Actually BS12 is quite reasonable. 98% of the perceived "problems" people have with the BS12 admins stem from playing there with a /tg/station or Goonstation mindset, which is gonna get you absolutely nowhere but the ban appeals section. The other 2% is the occasional off day or mistaken ban, what do you expect, they're human.

I've heard people on /tg/station complain that they got in trouble on BS12 because they were running around wearing a gas mask for no reason. That might seem silly, but we make our stance on realistic RP very clear. Goofing off every now and then is one thing, but if this was real life and you were working on a real spacestation, or any job really, why would you be running around with a gas mask for no reason?


As for antags, they're actually fairly free to do what they want as long as it furthers their goal or makes the round legitimately interesting (which antags are encouraged to do, even at the expense of their objectives. Do you want your green text, or an enjoyable round?). Killing someone because you need their ID is fine. Pleasuring your murderboner and masskilling for no reason will get you banned.

Except that BS12 is prodded full of cybering, metafriending and general asshattery.
There was a guy who was banned for killing an admin playing as syndicate.

Theres alot of metagrugding. And metarelationships.

[Neonivek]

Not to mention the inconsistant metalogic and metagaming.

It just means you have to learn the irrationalities of the community to play properly.

[Aklyon]

So, its just like how you have to learn who is generally the craziest in goon so you know what to avoid if possible then?

[Neonivek]

So, its just like how you have to learn who is generally the craziest in goon so you know what to avoid if possible then?

Yeah it is all sorts of crazy.

SS13 is like an insane asylum where even the staff is crazy.