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[Voiddarkness]

Was just wondering where the readme is that states what the new buildings, plants-brews, and everything does.  Could only find the basic vanilla DF readme

[Deon]

I haven't updated the readme in a while, so for now use wiki please.

Zaerosz: it's very close to iron (some parameters better, some worse, but only a tiny bit).

[Spaghetti]

really?

Ive had an invasion :/

in fact im dealing with it right now

edit* nevermind I forgot that df was updated with new village something or another.

[BigD145]

Is there a way to download the wiki for offline viewing? I'm going on a long train trip next week and would like to settle in with DF.

[Deon]

Just download the images, they have the most important info for now .

[Medicine Man]

How good are singing spellwood arrows?

[Zaerosz]

Is it alright if I borrow the Display Case for my mod?

[Vhorthex]

Friends once... friends forever?!

Hey there!

I'm having issues with being attacked. Embarked on a slot that had sinister mountains. Got attacked by 2 groups of gargoyles. Then they just stoped coming D:.

So, in order to spice things up I decided to attack the Dusk Elf merchants at my depot. I noticed that only the attacked unit responded, the other elves seemed to be ok with it.

I slaughtered the whole lot, except 1. And let him be on his 'merry' way. I looked at the civilization screen, and the dwarves are still 'at peace' with the dusk elves... What? lol, what does it take to turn enemies into 'friends'?

Cheers!

[Deon]

Is it alright if I borrow the Display Case for my mod?

Sure, and it's not originally mine: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57243.0

Vhorthex: I can't give you a real explanation here. One person reported that he attacked merchants but then STOPPED attack before anything happened, but they still went to war.

I am sure a bit earlier the death of the diplomat caused war. Try to arrange it .

Also there may be some weirdness in the latest version. Some people report the lack of ambushes/sieges when they still have a contact with other civs.

[Medicine Man]

How good are singing spellwood arrows? I'm assuming as strong as bronze.

[Pan]

How good are singing spellwood arrows? I'm assuming as strong as bronze.

You could use the testing arena, and pit a spellwood arrow wielding elf (on a unreachable pillar) against a iron, bronze, steel armored dwarf (one at a time). The dwarf that get's it's armor punctured (not a neck wound, or a testicle wound or whatever. or bleeding to death from a little cut) is the material that isn't as good as spellwood.

 Or you could read the raws.

 This forum thread looks like it's been going slower lately  . I remembered it used to be around 1 more page per day. It's been at page 221 for two days already...

[Deon]

That was a VERY suitable question. I need to rework some stuff a bit, brb with 3.12c/3.14b .

I think I was sleepy or something when I've answered about cobalt, but right now "iron" (hardened one) is somewhat better than bronze (which is a bit heavier and sharper so it makes up for that) and of course cobalt (which is actually around copper) and it's between bronze and steel...

Basically bronze weapons should be superior to iron, but iron armor should be less soft than bronze so it stops blades better.

So right now the parameters are correct as I wanted them, but I forgot to check them before I replied about cobalt (which is not that great as a weapon material except for blunt weapons and a mediocre armor).

So right now:

by compressive yield/fracture:
Copper -> Cobalt -> Spellwood -> Black Bronze -> Bismuth Bronze -> Bronze -> Iron -> Sun Gold -> Steel -> Black Steel -> Red Steel -> Adamantine

by weight/density:
Adamantine ->Iron -> Spellwood -> Sun Gold -> Steel -> Black Steel -> Red Steel -> Bismuth Bronze -> Bronze -> Cobalt -> Copper -> Black Bronze

by edge:
spellwood -> copper -> cobalt -> iron -> bismuth bronze -> black bronze -> bronze -> sun gold -> steel -> black steel -> red steel -> adamantine

There're many types of yields and parameters though, so it's just a general table. Still I hope it helps. So you can use the "edge" parameter to judge how good bladed weapons are (with relative compressive yield to consider armor piercing capabilities) and the density to judge how good blunt weapons are.


P.S. Note that singing arrows have awesome parameters in comparison to other arrows, so they pierce armor more.

[Mechlin]

So copper warhammers are now better than red steel?
This is something I really hadn't expected.

[Deon]

Better in terms of weight, but the hardness of the strike and armor "penetration" is determined by other stats as well.

I don't really know how blunt weapons work. We don't have a formula yet. Copper warhammer will probably glance off of a red steel armor due to metal relative values, but it will damage an unarmored target (again, if it's not a megabeast with very tough tissues) more than red steel. It needs more testing .

[Morwaul]

by compressive yield/fracture:
Copper -> Cobalt -> Spellwood -> Black Bronze -> Bismuth Bronze -> Bronze -> Iron -> Sun Gold -> Steel -> Black Steel -> Red Steel -> Adamantine

by weight/density:
Adamantine ->Iron -> Spellwood -> Sun Gold -> Steel -> Black Steel -> Red Steel -> Bismuth Bronze -> Bronze -> Cobalt -> Copper -> Black Bronze

by edge:
spellwood -> copper -> cobalt -> iron -> bismuth bronze -> black bronze -> bronze -> sun gold -> steel -> black steel -> red steel -> adamantine

Deon, thanks for the info.  You should put this on your wiki, it's good to know.