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[Nirur Torir]

Purely self-preservation? Explain where I said that. Self-preservation has never been an important goal for me goal in this particular game.

I parry your attack, and raise you a counterattack. Bold text is my own.

Lol.  Unvote SirBayer, vote Nirur Torir.And yet you vote for the same person he did.  Could you explain what makes you think he is bussing?

I must say, a Mafia game where there are secretly 4 mafias of 3 players each and a serial killer would be amusing.

And I guess this is a possibility from your perspective?  I'll give you a hint - it isn't a possibility from mine.

A "misunderstanding" and then twisting my words, trying to get me to incriminate myself.

After a while, another attack on me, only AFTER I ask for it:

6 hours until deadline. Looks like it's 4 on me, 3 on Dakarian, 2 on Bayer, and 2 on Diakron.

Leafsnail, I'm interested in your reasoning behind why your vote is on me. If you're going to lynch me, I want it to be because you want me lynched, not because you "forgot" to remove a pressure vote.

For things like this, funnily enough.  Posts that are about as close to "Plz unvote me" as you can get without saying it explicitly.  You asked a very similar question to ToonyMan.  And CK.  And SirBayer.  Hey, is that a full set?  Wow.  You also throw a mild attack on ToonyMan and diakron (doing nothing to follow it up) before going back to telling people to unvote you.

No, I purposely acted in such a way that made me easy to attack.

Also, this is bullshit.  There's no reason for town to do this.  Town should try to look town and, if they look scummy, explain their actions properly.  Only scum would invoke this stupid excuse.

ToonyMan did a much stronger "plz unvote me" statement, and to save himself. You never did show me where I asked Bayer to unvote me, or why you think town should focus on not dropping scum-tells.

You haven't scum-hunted yet. You've just ridden my bandwagon. I'll be happy to continue talking with you in dead-chat as your scumbuddies get summarily executed tomorrow, thanks to my actions.

[ToonyMan]

You haven't scum-hunted yet. You've just ridden my bandwagon. I'll be happy to continue talking with you in dead-chat as your scumbuddies get summarily executed tomorrow, thanks to my actions.

You think someone is going to listen to you after your death?  That never happens.  Especially when scum always lie to deceive and trick.

Unvote SirBayBay, cause I'm voting Nirur  for this horrible bandwagoning and letting the scum totally go.

Pathetic reason. My vote was to help lynch somebody I feel is probably scum, and somebody who is dangerous at LyLo.


Do not let my sacrifice be for nothing.

I understand what you're saying, but at the moment you do appear the scummiest to me. I'm not going to back off just because you offer a counter - that would render the game kind of boring, you know? I genuinely think that you're the scummiest person right now.

That's not to say that I'm not listening to you. Your suspicions have been noted (and, for the most part, supported, as I think is obvious) by pretty much all of us. It's pretty clear where Day 2's FoS are going to be pointed (*coughDakariancough*).

In the meantime, die scum.

You're being really weird Jokerman, because, I don't know if you know, but asking for a shortening because you don't want to go on with the day kinda STIFFENS information that is pretty much needed for Mafia.

[SirBayer]

Arg, I step out and everything goes straight to hell, three more pages pop up, etc.

It's worse coming back to it than it is actually playing. :I

Anyway.

You don't want to lynch me?

Just..pressure....by not doing anything else?

Yeah OK

I'm gathering information.

No need to worry - or rather, definitely a need to worry.

...Why are you talking like this to the guy you want to kill?

Because why not? He's asking me questions and I'm answering them. That's what you do with questions, isn't it?

I need to do another sweep on this whole affair. I'm still not convinced Nirur's scum, but I did only skim the last few pages, so I need to go give it a bit more thorough reading.

[Jokerman-EXE]

You're being really weird Jokerman, because, I don't know if you know, but asking for a shortening because you don't want to go on with the day kinda STIFFENS information that is pretty much needed for Mafia.

I actually didn't know that. I'm just going with what the mentors said in Boot Camp, that if it seems the day is dragging on too long then you should try to get it ended. Can you explain what you meant by stiffen?

[ToonyMan]

Any conversations going on stop.

[SirBayer]

Spoiler: MrPerson (click to show/hide)

Do you even know WHY you're asking for an Extension? You just are. The person you're voting for is currently up to be lynched, so it seems very pointless, wouldn't you agree?

You're assuming I'm lynching him for the sake of making him dead, which is a wonderful way to paint a scumtell on me that isn't there. So thanks for the WIFOM.

I know exactly why I'm asking for an extension.

Why are you so worried about getting scumtells painted on you?

Why the fuck ELSE would you vote for the guy who's going to get lynched? Pressure? He's already got enough pressure, there's no point. You can ask your question without voting the player.

Mr.Person. I was one of the first people on him. I voted him to BREAK him. I've failed to do that. I WAS PRESSURING HIM. OTHERS VOTED TO KILL HIM.

I'm not worried about scumtells being painted on me, I'm worried about Webadict's WIFOM.

Wait, what? You think Webadict's throwing WIFOM and your first response isn't to point it out or attack Webadict or anything useful, it's to defend yourself? That makes perfect sense! Coupled with the fact there's literally no WIFOM as far as I can tell, you're scum trying to create WIFOM where there isn't any before. Added on top of the fact you were trying to blame another player for making it, it just looks really ugly for you.

You don't see it? You don't see the whole "Webadict tries to explain away my extension request"? Because that's what he's doing there, and in it is the WIFOM. "He's extending because he's town! Oh, but that's what he wants you to think." That's the basic premise of the statement. You see it now?

And then you don't say the reason you're asking for an extension despite the fact Webadict specifically asked for you to say it.

No, see you're fucking blind. It's right there, right under the things you've quoted, and you're telling me it's not there?!

Bayer: Why do you continue to push me? I'm already at 5 votes, and you're the only one who has made a serious attempt at it.

Because you're not nervous.

Because I want to hear him talk. I THINK he's scum but I don't know it, and I'd like to KNOW it before he's dead. YOU taught me this, Webadict. YOU helped me learn in the Beginner's Mafias that this was what you did with scum, and YOU expect me to believe that you'll just turn around and drop that without some being-scum? No. No, I refuse to do that.

This entire thing is an exact explanation of why I asked for an extension. Precisely.

But SirBayer, that's you responding to yourself about why you voted Nirur Torir. That has nothing to do with asking for an extension. If you still wanted him to crack, you sure did a lousy job of it by not throwing out question streams.[/quote]

...oh, okay, so we're going to play the game where you ignore my points by saying that they're not what they are. And you seem to be telling me that just trying to kill him was the acceptable course of action - that I shouldn't have asked for an extension, that I shouldn't have attempted to question him. (I failed, but I attempted.) So you're telling me that I should behave like a scumbucket, constantly trying to kill because of suspicions.

I'm not going to do what you do.

Why the hell would you back off of Nirur Torir because you couldn't read him? If you can't read a player, ask more questions! Get information! Don't back off and go for another guy just because you can't read the first guy. That's literally quitting. What, do you think he's going to become easier to read tomorrow when he has little to no pressure on him?

I think he's town. I'm not confident, but I think he is.

Why would I continue to vote for and pressure someone I think is town? That doesn't even make sense.

So you've been lying to me. You said you couldn't break him. Either you broke him or you're just saying he's town for no reason. I don't know why you would lie about breaking him, but the point is, you broke him then claimed you couldn't break him Why did you say you couldn't break him when you got an opinion only obtainable from breaking him?
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I didn't break him. He was still calm at the end, and that was what I suspected.

I never told you I broke him. I told you I thought he was town. Which I do, still.

On the matter of Nirur.

I really don't know what to think. I still lean towards not-scum, but I guess I'm going to find out.

[Mr.Person]

I was under the impression people that went for breaking people only called sides after breaking people. Not sure when that changed. So, SirBayer, why does Nirur Torir appear town to you, and why aren't you fighting to save him if you think he's town? I'm bothered extremely by how passive you are about the guy you think is town getting lynched and the people you think are scum getting a free pass.

Webadict was not throwing out WIFOM. Stop trying to make it, it doesn't exist. Period. End of story. I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore.

SirBayer, trying to kill people via lynch is, in no way, scummy. I have no idea why you think that lynching people is evil and vile and whatever, but it's the whole point of the game. Pressure votes are one thing, sure, but voting a guy who has 3 other votes (including not unvoting, so this does mean you) sends a strong message that you want the player you're voting lynched. Either that or you don't care, but that's pretty easy to determine.

[Leafsnail]

Purely self-preservation? Explain where I said that. Self-preservation has never been an important goal for me goal in this particular game.

Yeah, I have no idea where I got that idea from.

I know who I am, and I do not know who ToonyMan is. Ergo, it is logical to get him killed over myself.

Getting a towny lynched today would be much better than getting a mafia member like myself lynched.  I don't really care who, but don't lynch me, ok?

I parry your attack, and raise you a counterattack. Bold text is my own.

Lol.  Unvote SirBayer, vote Nirur Torir.And yet you vote for the same person he did.  Could you explain what makes you think he is bussing?

I must say, a Mafia game where there are secretly 4 mafias of 3 players each and a serial killer would be amusing.

And I guess this is a possibility from your perspective?  I'll give you a hint - it isn't a possibility from mine.

A "misunderstanding" and then twisting my words, trying to get me to incriminate myself.

Actually, no.  The main part of that question was asking whether you thought SirBayer was bussing a partner, and if so, why.

After a while, another attack on me, only AFTER I ask for it:

You'd been doing the rounds telling everyone to unvote you.  If you can think of a town way of interpreting that I'd like to here it.

No, I purposely acted in such a way that made me easy to attack.

Also, this is bullshit.  There's no reason for town to do this.  Town should try to look town and, if they look scummy, explain their actions properly.  Only scum would invoke this stupid excuse.

ToonyMan did a much stronger "plz unvote me" statement, and to save himself. You never did show me where I asked Bayer to unvote me, or why you think town should focus on not dropping scum-tells.[/quote]

Bayer: Why do you continue to push me? I'm already at 5 votes, and you're the only one who has made a serious attempt at it.

And I didn't say town should avoid dropping tells.  I said trying to make yourself look like scum as town is stupid.

You haven't scum-hunted yet. You've just ridden my bandwagon. I'll be happy to continue talking with you in dead-chat as your scumbuddies get summarily executed tomorrow, thanks to my actions.

Well, if I haven't scumhunted, then I guess the scum has jumped right into my hands.  There is no pro-town explanation for what you're claiming to have done.  Nor is there any pro-towniness in lining up a lynch tomorrow on someone you are not even voting today.

[Nirur Torir]

Purely self-preservation? Explain where I said that. Self-preservation has never been an important goal for me goal in this particular game.

Yeah, I have no idea where I got that idea from.

I know who I am, and I do not know who ToonyMan is. Ergo, it is logical to get him killed over myself.

Getting a towny lynched today would be much better than getting a mafia member like myself lynched.  I don't really care who, but don't lynch me, ok?

Why are you trying to put words into my mouth?

I parry your attack, and raise you a counterattack. Bold text is my own.

Lol.  Unvote SirBayer, vote Nirur Torir.And yet you vote for the same person he did.  Could you explain what makes you think he is bussing?

I must say, a Mafia game where there are secretly 4 mafias of 3 players each and a serial killer would be amusing.

And I guess this is a possibility from your perspective?  I'll give you a hint - it isn't a possibility from mine.

A "misunderstanding" and then twisting my words, trying to get me to incriminate myself.

Actually, no.  The main part of that question was asking whether you thought SirBayer was bussing a partner, and if so, why.

Interesting way of interpreting the bold words. Nice of you to clarify the first time I asked. OHWAIT

After a while, another attack on me, only AFTER I ask for it:

You'd been doing the rounds telling everyone to unvote you.  If you can think of a town way of interpreting that I'd like to here it.

I'd been telling people with unclear reasons for voting me to either find reasons worth lynching me for, and state them, or get out, hopefully forcing the scum to be less passive.

No, I purposely acted in such a way that made me easy to attack.

Also, this is bullshit.  There's no reason for town to do this.  Town should try to look town and, if they look scummy, explain their actions properly.  Only scum would invoke this stupid excuse.

ToonyMan did a much stronger "plz unvote me" statement, and to save himself. You never did show me where I asked Bayer to unvote me, or why you think town should focus on not dropping scum-tells.

Bayer: Why do you continue to push me? I'm already at 5 votes, and you're the only one who has made a serious attempt at it.

And I didn't say town should avoid dropping tells.  I said trying to make yourself look like scum as town is stupid.[/quote]
Sure is, but that hasn't stopped it from netting me the scum.

You haven't scum-hunted yet. You've just ridden my bandwagon. I'll be happy to continue talking with you in dead-chat as your scumbuddies get summarily executed tomorrow, thanks to my actions.

Well, if I haven't scumhunted, then I guess the scum has jumped right into my hands.  There is no pro-town explanation for what you're claiming to have done.  Nor is there any pro-towniness in lining up a lynch tomorrow on someone you are not even voting today.

Why are you afraid of it, if I'm going to just flip scum?

Because you know I'll flip town, and are trying to discredit me.
We're done. I have what info I wanted; I see no reason to give you another day to weasel out of your death.
Hammer Vote Nirur Torir.

[SirBayer]

Well, I guess I need to reply later, Mr. Person - sorry.

[Pandarsenic]

Nirur Torir did not unvote. The day is still running.

[Nirur Torir]

Unvote ToonyMan. Vote Nirur Torir.

[Pandarsenic]

-.-

Nirur Torir gains a wild gleam in his eye. "I'll show you!" he shouts. "I'll show you all! They said I was spreading WIFOM, but wine is bad for you except in small quantities, here, I'll show you I meant what I said!"

He grabs for a gun on the table and, not finding one, grabs the whole table and bludgeons himself to death with it!

Nirur Torir, townie, has been moved to the Recycle Bin.

Nirur Torir - Townie, Jacob (Henriquez) de Castro Sarmento
  You are a Portuguese physician, naturalist, and poet. You are a medicinally talented individual and if you visit somebody at night, you can perform SCIENCE on them to save them from being killed. If they're killed. If they're not, you might get a bit overeager and accidentally perform a "medical misadventure" on them, though....

This player did not know his BOOSTed power.

[Pandarsenic]

Night ends 5 PM Saturday Pacific. We need a replacement for Vector ;~;

[Pandarsenic]

In the morning, you are entirely unsurprised to come across a dead...

Cemetery?

Leafsnail, townie, has been moved to the Recycle Bin.

Leafsnail - Townie, Blackwood-Harwood Plantations Cemetery
  You are a historic cemetery. All players who die in this game are buried on your grounds, and as long as you are alive you may communicate freely with them. Once per game, you can can use your extensive experience with dead people to determine whether a particular string of uninterrupted words of any length is entirely truthful or not entirely truthful. Despite, y'know. Being a cemetery.
  You win when all scum are dead.

This player did not know his BOOSTed power.

Ignoring that a dying cemetery makes no sense, you bury Leafsnail in a cemetery and continue.

Day ends 5 PM Pacific on Tuesday.