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[Vector]

@Vector: What made you think there's 3 mafia members?
Why did you list a bunch of stuff I did as scummy, then say I was town?
I don't see how you think ToonyMan is scum. Too silly? For ToonyMan, that's literally the equivalent of a Too Townie Fallacy.
I also love how you attack Tehstefan for sidelining, then literally say "People, press this man harder." which is, you know, sidelining itself. Also, Tehstefan wasn't sidelining. He asked a legitimate question about one player's thoughts on another so as to generate conversation.

1. Pandarsenic told us there was 3 scum members.
2. Townies can be scummy.  I'm putting up the full results of my wide scan for others to use later, in case my judgment was incorrect and they can get something else out of what I noticed.
3. I can read Toony pretty effectively.  I like the part where you're guarding him, just like you did Pandarsenic in BYOR 2.
4. When Pandarsenic gets back from class, I will be dead.  So will Jokerman.  As such, yes, I'm giving you guys my advice for what y'all should do after my passing.

[Mr.Person]

OBJECTION! Vector just lied to me. He claims he thought there were 3 mafia members because Pandarsenic said so, which is true. However, Vector posted his list of 3 mafia members BEFORE Pandarsenic said there were 3 mafia members! He's lying about knowing why from Pandarsenic, so I can only assume he knew because HE HIMSELF IS A MAFIA MEMBER!

[Leafsnail]

Way to jump into the sky over something "minor". Hell, those points weren't good, but you leaping like a Mexican Jumping Bean was.

This is also suspicious, SirBayer.  You admit to having bad posts, but are using that as a way of strengthening your case due to an "overreaction".  Firstly, I'm not sure overreaction can ever be seen as a scumtell on webadict, and secondly, you aren't trying to back up this point, probably because webadict would demolish it if you did.  So, SirBayer - what is your actual case on webadict?  I'd like you to make it without reference to overreaction to bad points.

Oh, I get it, you didn't actually read anything I did after that, where I meticulously went over every single post and pushed him for scumminess.

Okay, well, come back to me when you have and we'll talk.

I have.  Your points did not improve.

Town Webadict is smart enough to know that "Lynch him then me" is ALWAYS bad.

He's done it to me twice in Paranormal.  I thus disagree with this statement .

I parry your attack, and raise you a counterattack. Bold text is my own.

Lol.  Unvote SirBayer, vote Nirur Torir.And yet you vote for the same person he did.  Could you explain what makes you think he is bussing?

I must say, a Mafia game where there are secretly 4 mafias of 3 players each and a serial killer would be amusing.

And I guess this is a possibility from your perspective?  I'll give you a hint - it isn't a possibility from mine.

[Vector]

OBJECTION! Vector just lied to me. She claims she thought there were 3 mafia members because Pandarsenic said so, which is true. However, Vector posted her list of 3 mafia members BEFORE Pandarsenic said there were 3 mafia members! She's lying about knowing why from Pandarsenic, so I can only assume she knew because SHE HERSELF IS A MAFIA MEMBER!

Don't be a fool.

[Eduren]

Extension

Unvote Leafy, it was for pressure.

Vote Diakron get in here scumbucket. You jumped on the webadict wagon with no justification, you have done no scumhunting and your posts stink of passivity.

[SirBayer]

SirBayer, I literally made a reply basically saying exactly what you've just said about Nirur Torir.

So I ninja'd you?

Leafy: Oh, okay. So you willfully choose to ignore THE PLETHORA OF EVIDENCE I HAVE BROUGHT UP, AND NONETHELESS ACCUSE ME OF HAVING NO CASE.

Stop it, scum-bucket.

I admit that I tend flop around during RVS. What of it?

I know that my own chances of reading Webadict are/were slim. All I felt I could do to help against him was add pressure, and try to analyze the more experienced players' readings of him.

Flip-flopping ever isn't good. It's scummy. You don't drop a vote for the sake of voting, you push, you push! You chase that person down unless you have reason to go for someone else, as in they're being horribly suspicious. You break people.

I'm a new player, and yet I just went head-on with Webby. No need to be afraid.

I can't see how any of this can be justified.

If you must know, I took Dakarian's advice to heart after reading the Boot Camp Mafia thread, and stopped caring about if my actions can be read as scum-tells.

Admirable, but scum-tells are scum-tells and scum make more scum-tells than town.

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Nirur Torir, why do you have a space in your name?

Although I admit that it would be more dwarfy to be named Nirurtorir, I have humanized it with a space.

Why does your name lack a space? Were you feeling particularly scummy when you created your account?

1. Because my spacebar had been mysteriously and forcibly removed from the keyboard.
2. Actually, I was feeling like a butterfly floating freely into the sky, singing Gregorian Chants all the way, but that was because it was way too late and apparently the medication had set in already.

That's beside the point.

Parroting Vector: Name your top three scumbuddies from the list. Can't think of your own questions? Does this even matter?

Good morning, SirBayer.  Name your top three scumbuddies from this game's player list.

1.Vector
2.Vector
3.Vector

Yeah, I want three clones of you. That would be awesome. You didn't actually explain this, aside from a "Oh, I can't pick, because I don't end up on scumteams." Seems like a buddying attempt to me. I can't dissuade you from whatever you want to believe. I answered the question honestly.

[....]

Webadict, why is it that when I read your posts they normally make sense easily, but when I went down there and read that one, it kind of... didn't? Weak, passive attack. Correction: Undeveloped attack. Read what I did to Webby next.

I have an awful hard time choosing scumteams, since I really never end up on them

No, not so much. Only scum are afraid to answer questions, and I'm not scum.

Number of scumtells I count: 3.
1) Claiming to not be scum.
2) Overly defensive and not attacking.
3) Clearly stressed out while answering questions.

Well, it's nice to know that you understand scumhunting and that you do it, but get your tells straight.

You were indeed defensive, not attacking, and apparently stressed about something. I'm glad you've finally shifted over to attack mode.

(Underlined are my responses.)

Yeah. Well, I'll be frank - due to real life, time is getting very short, and I really didn't want to post, and then Webby confronted me and said "Get every post" and I thought "I can do that" and did.

And now it seems so much easier.

Nirur: Don't even. You bandwagoned. I'm ignoring it for now because I've got a bigger fight on my hands, but you've been flip-flopping your vote everywhere, changing your mind faster than the speed of sound, and now you've bandwagoned. You're scum, and I'm not sure if you're trying to bus or what, but we've caught you.

"You're scum. After I'm done bussing your partner with your help, I'm coming for you."
Did you really think that statement through?

Yes, yes I did. I was convinced at the time Webby was scum, but I remain convinced now that you're scum. I wanted to point out to you that I know what you're doing, and that I'm coming for you next.

And I did.

So, who was it that changed your mind about Webadict being scummier then myself?

*shrug*. Everything's off, but I think it fits the description of Jester much better than scum, in the end. As you can see from my conclusion at the beginning of my argument with Webby, I suspected that was possible, but the "lynch him then me" confirmed it for me, as Mr. Person pointed out.

So, in the end, I still think you're scum.

[Diakron]

sorry FFXII break

I had a reason for voting him but it escapes me atm i'm so busy playing FF-13

As for mellowing out, i am on a mood stabilizer to prevent me from having a heart attack when i get mad my BP sky rockets to 180/92.. very not good when combine with a 130 bpm heartrate.

I find it funny that everyone is focused on JUST TWO PEOPLE when it is obvious that there has to be a scum that is helping this along...


break over back 2 FF

[Vector]

As for mellowing out, i am on a mood stabilizer to prevent me from having a heart attack when i get mad my BP sky rockets to 180/92.. very not good when combine with a 130 bpm heartrate.

Fair enough.  Hope you come back to play with us at some point, however...

[Leafsnail]

Leafy: Oh, okay. So you willfully choose to ignore THE PLETHORA OF EVIDENCE I HAVE BROUGHT UP, AND NONETHELESS ACCUSE ME OF HAVING NO CASE.

Your "evidence" is merely going through each post and saying that he's RVing, overdefensive or whatever.  It seems to contain little concrete evidence, and also seems to be merely an afterthought to you voting him.

[Nirur Torir]

I parry your attack, and raise you a counterattack. Bold text is my own.

Lol.  Unvote SirBayer, vote Nirur Torir.And yet you vote for the same person he did.  Could you explain what makes you think he is bussing?

I must say, a Mafia game where there are secretly 4 mafias of 3 players each and a serial killer would be amusing.

And I guess this is a possibility from your perspective?  I'll give you a hint - it isn't a possibility from mine.

I wasn't accusing him of bussing, please re-read for quotation marks.

Yes, the possibility of somebody creating a Mafia game without townies does exist from my perspective. Why doesn't it exist from yours?

Flip-flopping ever isn't good. It's scummy. You don't drop a vote for the sake of voting, you push, you push! You chase that person down unless you have reason to go for someone else, as in they're being horribly suspicious. You break people.

Then we have different objectives during RVS. Mine is to get the conversation started; votes facilitate that.

I'm a new player, and yet I just went head-on with Webby. No need to be afraid.

Yea, and I just rammed him head-first, giving myself a concussion to bruise him slightly. It was indeed surprisingly easy.

Admirable, but scum-tells are scum-tells and scum make more scum-tells than town.

Who's scummier: Somebody who joins a bandwagon to lynch somebody they feel is scum, or somebody who is afraid to join a bandwagon to lynch a suspected scum, afraid of being lynched themselves?

So, in the end, I still think you're scum.

Suit yourself, just don't blind yourself to the rest of the game with your suspicions of me.

[Leafsnail]

Yes, the possibility of somebody creating a Mafia game without townies does exist from my perspective. Why doesn't it exist from yours?

Because I am town.  On the other hand, from your perspective inside a scumteam/ as a Serial Killer, I suppose the scenario you outlined is possible.

[Nirur Torir]

Yes, the possibility of somebody creating a Mafia game without townies does exist from my perspective. Why doesn't it exist from yours?

Because I am town.  On the other hand, from your perspective inside a scumteam/ as a Serial Killer, I suppose the scenario you outlined is possible.

Nope, such a scenario is not possible for this particular game from my perspective. Are you done twisting my words yet?

[Leafsnail]

So you just brought it up randomly and for no reason?  And with no context?

[Vector]

Goddammit, Panda needs to show up and get me deaded already :I

[tehstefan]

Can we get a more recent vote count perhaps?

In any case, I am going to ask for an extension while i read over more posts.

To Leafsnail, my main reasons for thinking those are out of porportion is that they are rather weak tells to begin with, yet he seems convinced he's got them. His language is too strong. Besides,there are stronger targets in my opinion, so targeting him right now, seems rather silly.

Such as Diakron.The others have brought up good points, however, from my own experience of playing with you, you seem to be very mellow. Sure, you gave a good reason, but its still there.

Second, you seem to make very little content posts. While I tend to not post a lot, I also try and make every post actually matter. Seems like your trying to active lurk.

The buddying is definitely not helping you either, expound on why his points are good, don't just say they are.

Also, the bandwagoning is totally not helping. You're dropping tells all over the place, and not doing much to defend yourself.

So, What do you think of this whole Webadict-Dakarian thing, and why?