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[BlackHeartKabal]

Most parents don't tell their kids that bullying is okay, ever

Surprise, surprise, he isn't this mythical "most parents" you're speaking of. It's nice to willingly put yourself in the way of some flak by playing devil's advocate, but sometimes there's just not much of a feasible excuse for things.

[Frumple]

Yeah... most may not, but there's definitely a subset that does. And a larger one that spends a fair amount of time encouraging a great deal of general hostility towards certain sorts.

[Orange Wizard]

Me: "not everyone is a terrible person"
Others: "yeah but some people are terrible people"

gj guys

[TheBiggerFish]

Yes, that just about makes sense.

[BlackHeartKabal]

Me: "not everyone is a terrible person"
Others: "yeah but some people are terrible people"

gj guys

Both are mutually true. If you see a problem, state it so people can understand?

[Sirus]

Our dog is at the point where he basically won't eat anything. He's due to be put down on Wednesday but I'm starting to wonder if he'll even last that long 

[KingofstarrySkies]

Ouch. Sorry for you.. Soon-to-be loss. :C

[BlackHeartKabal]

Our dog is at the point where he basically won't eat anything. He's due to be put down on Wednesday but I'm starting to wonder if he'll even last that long 

Only experience I've had with pets are cannibal goldfish and a dog that dug holes in the yard, ate the house's broadband cables, and then got taken somewhere and tied to a stop sign by dad while I was at school one day. But apparently pets are like family when you have them around, so here are my condolences.

[TheBiggerFish]

Our dog is at the point where he basically won't eat anything. He's due to be put down on Wednesday but I'm starting to wonder if he'll even last that long 

*hugpats*
I know the feeling.
My condolences.

[Spehss _]

Our dog is at the point where he basically won't eat anything. He's due to be put down on Wednesday but I'm starting to wonder if he'll even last that long 

D:

I know how it feels to have to lose a dog. Can hurt like losing a family member. Have some internet sympathy.

[Solifuge]

This whole thing is really upsetting me. This should have never happened, but due to the sheer stupidity of the system some maniac was able to buy guns and shoot 50 people without any trouble.

Also,

Unfortunately, Trump is right about that. The only way to stop terrorism is to keep those fuckers from coming over here.

Why the fuck is it that whenever something genuinely horrible happens mother has to make some retarded comment like this?

The obvious rebuttal is that the fucker in question was an American, born and raised.

Had to navigate some similar discussions with my folks last weekend. That part of the family literally and figuratively buy Alex Jones' brand of coffee, think of Trump as some kind of messianic hero, only actually know/care about the second amendment, mail-order and stockpile ammunition in the basement, and have a small arsenal of semi-automatic weapons, concealable pistols, night-vision scopes, and so on between them. That aside, my father's also the sort of guy who says "I'm okay with it, but I don't think gay people should be public about it."

We dodged homophobia this time, but when the "If everyone in that club had guns, this wouldn't have happened" argument came out, I tried my best to explain how these sorts of mass killers don't usually expect to survive, and often commit suicide right afterward. They see themselves as heroes and martyrs, whose actions and deaths will be publicized by the news and become an inspiration to other violent extremists who share their views. More guns don't stop that... being gunned down in response only helps further polarize the folks that sympathize or idolize these killers.

No one had a rebuttal; instead, the discussion jumped immediately into talking about how stupid and unnecessary transgender bathroom laws are, and how we "Need to protect little girls from pedophiles," so... yeah. That's family for ya! :Y

This shit really wears me out. There's only so much one can do, when people believe they hold absolute knowledge, without any test in reality.

[Sirus]

Thanks, folks.

Just finished saying good-bye to the dog. I'll more than likely be away from home whenever it happens.

[TheBiggerFish]

*hugs Sirus*

That's...The really hard part, isn't it.  My condolences, again.

[Spehss _]

This whole thing is really upsetting me. This should have never happened, but due to the sheer stupidity of the system some maniac was able to buy guns and shoot 50 people without any trouble.

Why should this "have never have happened"? Violent crimes are bound to happen once in a while and it's unlikely that 100% of such violent crimes could be stopped without some kind of extreme totalitarianism.

If the guy couldn't get guns legally but hated gay people so much that he felt obligated to go out and kill gay people (killing people is generally illegal in US, one of the biggest of bad things to do) then he could just as well get guns illegally (if he's really wanting to kill people why care if he breaks other laws) or use other methods of killing people (bombs, knives, poisonous gas or chemicals, arson, etc etc). Instead of a spree shooter he could've gone the serial killer route of killing one person every couple of days using less obvious measures than "go out and shoot people in public". Which could be objectively worse because he could kill more people over a longer time and possibly get away with it if cautious and methodical enough.

This (a man killing gay people) could've happened whether the US had stricter gun control or not. Logically I'm seeing that the reason this happened is not the "stupidity of the system" but the fact that there was a guy who decided the best way to deal with his anger towards gay people is kill them. He was Islamic, raised in a family of practicing Islamics, and Islam (based on what I know) does not seem to have the best of "tolerance" towards gay people. He had a series of cultural and religious beliefs, ideals, morals, etc, which I would think Islam contributed to because I suspect it was what he was exposed to growing up amongst his parents, and apparently in this one situation with this one specific individual of Islamic religion clashed with a part of US culture (gay clubbing scene) to the point where he felt the best course of action was to commit a crime.


The only real result against US gun violence I could see stricter gun control or gun sale regulation achieving in the US is lower amount of crimes of passion, where some scrub gets so pissed and illogical that he goes and buys a gun just to shootup whoever or whatever pissed him off. If an individual logically fixates on committing some extreme crime (mass murder or spree shooting for example) then gun restriction could make it harder for them to get the materials but I don't think it would stop the crime if they are dedicated enough.

Whew I typed a bit.

[TheBiggerFish]

Wait no we don't discuss this here.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=158735.msg7045981#msg7045981