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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98040 on: October 18, 2015, 11:33:40 am »

My faith in humanity is pretty low right now.

As it should be.

Anyway, greatness is subjective and will always be overshadowed by bad. Look at the negativity bias for a moderately related thing: man is so focused on improvement that we'll ask "why couldn't he not chop down half the Brazilian forest to treat half the problem of Africa?"

Look at the news, what do they cover? "Man shoots up school" gets much more views than "man creates cheap water purifier to clean developing nations' water supply". There's nothing to argue about for the latter, the good has been done. We've done it, we've solved one problem, but look: there's a guy shooting up a school. We need to do something to fix that, now that the water is clean. We don't need to care about the effects of clean water as much now that we've done it.

Does that make sense? I have a tendency to be aimless in my rambling.
That makes incredibly much sense.  Hey!  I found a problem to solve!
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98041 on: October 18, 2015, 12:05:53 pm »

-snip-

Since you've said you'll probably delete the post, I won't be too specific, but I'm in complete agreement with this here. This doesn't sound like a very equal arrangement, and this is something that should definitely be an equal arrangement.

Edit: quoted wrong post.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98042 on: October 18, 2015, 12:36:56 pm »

"Man shoots up school" gets much more views than "man creates cheap water purifier to clean developing nations' water supply"
Both of those examples are about a single person, and simply don't represent humanity, regardless of how well they're covered by media. What I'd like is news along the lines of "50 000 people team up to construct a new city for refugees" rather than "Ponzi scheme tricks 4 million investors" or "Poachers bring yet another species to brink of extinction."
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98043 on: October 18, 2015, 12:52:35 pm »

"Man shoots up school" gets much more views than "man creates cheap water purifier to clean developing nations' water supply"
Both of those examples are about a single person, and simply don't represent humanity, regardless of how well they're covered by media. What I'd like is news along the lines of "50 000 people team up to construct a new city for refugees" rather than "Ponzi scheme tricks 4 million investors" or "Poachers bring yet another species to brink of extinction."

But there's something to keep on working for if poachers bring another species to extinction. Governments will invest in bringing ivory traders to their knees. I reccomend reading the recent National Geographic article on the ivory trade, it really helps you understand both sides of the war. Anyway, how can it be argued that poachers and fraudulent investors represent all of humanity? These stories just get more traction.

On the opposite end of the scale, If a city for refugees is made, what will media talk about? Political unrest? High crime rates? It becomes another thing to fix. We're mostly unaware, but we're all affected by globalization.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98044 on: October 18, 2015, 01:15:44 pm »

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98045 on: October 18, 2015, 01:58:39 pm »

Anyway, how can it be argued that poachers and fraudulent investors represent all of humanity?
Because few media report on anything of a greater magnitude than those examples. And very few good things seem to happen on that level; the media rarely report on any event that is both great and good. Instead, they focus on a single person at a time, saying that "it will restore your faith in humanity". It really doesn't.

Now that I think of it, why do we even speak of humanity as a single entity? If there's nothing to report on a greater scale than maybe a few nations at a time, do actual "world news" even exist?

Maybe I should stop reading the news altogether. They just make me sad.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98046 on: October 18, 2015, 02:12:18 pm »

Now that I think of it, why do we even speak of humanity as a single entity?
To feel justified having whatever attitude you want. Some people want to feel hope so they try to find things to justify having "faith" in humanity. Some people want to hate(or already do) so they try to find things to justify it. And others just want to squeeze something else out by the removal of individualism(like self worth or policy changes).
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98047 on: October 18, 2015, 02:12:37 pm »

Anyway, how can it be argued that poachers and fraudulent investors represent all of humanity?
saying that "it will restore your faith in humanity". It really doesn't.
That goes without saying.

Now that I think of it, why do we even speak of humanity as a single entity? If there's nothing to report on a greater scale than maybe a few nations at a time, do actual "world news" even exist?

Please explain, I don't really understand what you mean.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98048 on: October 18, 2015, 02:53:34 pm »

Please explain, I don't really understand what you mean.
I'm starting to feel there isn't even a "humanity" to have faith in. That's an oversimplification of my thoughts, but should be fairly clear.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98049 on: October 18, 2015, 03:25:04 pm »

"Faith in humanity" basically means nothing, as far as I can tell.  It's a meme.

I'd like to ask somebody what they specifically mean when they say "there goes my faith in humanity," as in what about their worldview has changed, but they get huffy. 

I guess the best guess would be "faith in the tendency of individuals to do the right thing" or "faith in the tendency of humanity overall to improve and make things better."  The first I have, the second I don't.

But I'm more about communities than individuals.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98050 on: October 18, 2015, 04:29:15 pm »

Maybe "hope that everything isn't going to be fucked in less than a century" is more what is intended when people say that.
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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98051 on: October 18, 2015, 05:44:22 pm »

Only my boyfriend would miss me if I killed myself.
From a rather dark school of cheering people, that's one more than some people who decide to stay alive have.
I mean, I'm still alive...

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98052 on: October 19, 2015, 12:39:42 am »

"Faith in humanity" basically means nothing, as far as I can tell.  It's a meme.

I'd like to ask somebody what they specifically mean when they say "there goes my faith in humanity," as in what about their worldview has changed, but they get huffy. 

I guess the best guess would be "faith in the tendency of individuals to do the right thing" or "faith in the tendency of humanity overall to improve and make things better."  The first I have, the second I don't.

But I'm more about communities than individuals.
Yeah, mine I see as the potential for selflessness and empathy in the average person.
I'm relatively unsure on whether or not it exists in humanity as a collective.
Hence why my faith in humanity is made or destroyed on a week-to-week basis. It's a knife's edge.


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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98053 on: October 19, 2015, 11:44:36 am »

So, I doubt most of you are aware of this but there's currently a pretty big shitstorm going on about university fees in South Africa. Three of the largest universities in the country have been shut down over the last couple of days, and at least one more is probably going to be shut down in the next couple of days.

The whole thing got kicked off when the University of the Witwatersrand (Wits) announced a fee increase of ten percent as of next year. People got pissed off about this and started a massive protest and shut down the varsity for a day, until there was some kind of agreement to a renegotiation. Which might have been made under coercion, because the people who made it might have been locked in by the protesters.

I'd be okay with that. People make themselves heard, and things change. That's great, and I hope people carry on like that.

Then people decided to do the same thing at Rhodes University and the University of Cape Town (UCT). I can't speak for Rhodes, but there are a number of things about the UCT protest that really tick me off. First off, there was a fucking negotiation. The SRC agreed to a 10.3% fee increase from 2016. If you have a problem with that, go talk to your SRC. Second, the only reason people are doing this is because it worked at Wits. There are a lot of causeless rebels here after the struggle ended but we carried on idolising the struggle heroes. "The born free generation is proving themselves" - actual quote. Well damn, have you considered that maybe this isn't on the same scale at all? Third, basic mathematics. Student subsidies are being raised by 13% from next year. The people complaining about this aren't going to be hurt by it. Fourth, there aren't that many people actually protesting at any given time. Out of a corpus of 26 300, some few hundred people are shutting down the whole university. Some people actually want to get the education they fucking paid for - who's wasting who's money, here? If your boots aren't on the ground, you clearly don't care that much. Oh yeah, and fifth, this is fucking illegal. Literally against the law. There are ways of doing it that aren't, but those weren't good enough for our parents, so why should we use them? Oh, right. Because this isn't a problem on the same level.

And the other issue, that applies to UCT, Wits, Rhodes, and UP: this isn't how you get long-term sustainable change. This is how you cut the salaries of professors so their income can't keep pace with inflation. There are actual channels for achieving this stuff without having to fuck over other people who actually want to just get on with learning. Those channels will let you work out a deal that definitely won't end in all the lecturers ditching the university because it can't pay them and the university falling apart so you don't get any education.

The last thing? Of course this has to be racialised. 'University of the Rich-whites-with-rands." "The white-owned media is hiding the truth." You know, I normally tell anyone who thinks South Africa is going the way of Zimbabwe they're an idiot but sometimes I can really see where they're coming from. And there's a very easy Godwin here I'm going to refrain from because whilst evocative it's neither honest nor entirely accurate. Sometimes I think I should just give the Black consciousness radicals what they want and leave the country, because I'm fucking sick of being the demon responsible for everything that goes wrong.

Oh, and I just found out that students at Sun prevented lecturers from leaving at some point today.

TL;DR

"Do the words 'political shitstorm' mean anything to you, Shepard?", people who feed on political shitstorms, racism, idiots.

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Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« Reply #98054 on: October 19, 2015, 12:13:25 pm »

Are not protesters setting cars on fire/ turning them over/ breaking them kinda everywhere?( except north korea. land of second amendment, probably liechtenstein, San-Marino republic and papal state)
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