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[Jackrabbit]

I have to ask, Wazdakka Gutsmek, you know him? He lets you take bikers as troop choices. So I designed (in all of five seconds, mind you) a 1000 point fast attack army with only bikers for troops. Could they be considered troops for the purposes of taking objectives? Or is that decided by the players?

[Jakkarra]

They can take objectives if they are troops. Just like Deff Dreads can do if they are taken as troops with a Big mek.

Bikers are horrible though, you want to take a warboss and take NOB BIKERS instead.

[Jackrabbit]

But I've got like, 24 bikers! Two of which are nobs. Why are they horrible, anyway?

[Jakkarra]

Well, take a lookie there at their stats, their cost and give me one reason why they ARENT bad.

I don't have my codex on hand right here, i'll give a detailed account of just why when i get home, but tell me their point cost and WHY you think they don't suck, plox.

[Jackrabbit]

I don't have a head for these things. All I see is the cover save and the guns and I just go ooooooooh. Here's the list, anyway. Just so you can tell me how much I utterly suck at putting an army together.

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Wazdakka Gutsmek
180

6 Warbikes (4 units)
620 w/2 nobs

5 Deffkoptas w/kustom mega blasters
200

1000

Here's my reasoning.

a) Warbikes are fast and dead killy so I get to krumping as soon as possible plus dakka, which is nice.
b) Koptas are dead killyer and can deal with heavily armored foes provided I'm clever in how I use them.
c) Orks orks orks orks orks orks orks orks

[Jakkarra]

That's twelve models in a 1000 point game, with their pathetic 4+ cover save, those guys are going to get Krumped before they do ANYTHING!

Also, you havent told me how much each model is.

And, for less, it seems, you could get a big Mek and take some deff dreads, wot are Ded 'Ard and Mega-killy.

[Jackrabbit]

Sorry, wait, I was contracting that because I wrote it for myself only and wasn't planning on sharing it.

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Wazdakka Gutsmek
180

24 Warbikes comprised of 6 models per mob w/2 nobs (1 to a mob)
620 points

5 Deffkoptas in 1 mob w/kustom mega blasters
200

1000

So it's actually 30 units overall. Also, I'm building a Kult of Speed focused army, Deff Dreads just don't fit with that, not in a 100 point game when I'm trying to put everything I can into getting to krumpin' fast.

[Neruz]

If yer doin a Kult of Speed, yer wants yer 'core' troops to be Boyz in Trukks. Trukk-mounted Boyz are der only wunz oo kan be Choppa Boyz, awtho Shoota Boyz are still be bein better mefinks.

But yeah; you want a couple of of Boyz squads inside Trukks, and then a few bikes on the flanks; Bikes aren't tuff enuff or numerous enough to form the core of your army.


Also; if you're going to get Deffkoptas, give them sawblades and\or the twin-linked rokkit launchas. The rokkits give them a nice ranged punch against vechs, giving you some useful fast-moving vech killers, and the sawblades make their melee attacks power weapons, which means they RIP AND TEAR.

Koptas are also too fragile to survive out on the open for long, so you want to get them into assault ASAP; if they get caught within shooty range of enemies, they're in deep doodoo.

[Jackrabbit]

Alright, I got over my warbike craze. Here's the list, redone.

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Warboss w/power klaw, Cybork body
95 points

8 Nobz w/big choppas & Trukk w/red paint job, grot riggers
235 points

3 Warbuggies w/twin linker rokkit launcha
105 points

10 shoota boyz w/big shoota & Trukk w/red paint job
105 points

10 shoota boyz w/big shoota & Trukk w/red paint job
105 points

4 Deffkoptas w/Twin-linked rokkit launchas, buzzsaw
350 points

1000 points

Proceed to heap abuse on me for my lackluster army making abilities.

By which I mean constructive criticism, if you please.

[Jakkarra]

Needs More Dakka.

[Jackrabbit]

Well yeah, that's a given.

[Jakkarra]

No other Race can pull off "More Dakka" like the Orks can, it's probably to do with that Bitchin' BS2 they are throwing down.

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, Orkz really excel at line-shooting.  Get a whole bunch of Shoota Boyz, line them up, and mow down the enemy.

[Jakkarra]

That's the idea with my army.

A Metric Shitton of Dakka. A literal WALL of lead.

[Neruz]

Alright, I got over my warbike craze. Here's the list, redone.

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Warboss w/power klaw, Cybork body
95 points

8 Nobz w/big choppas & Trukk w/red paint job, grot riggers
235 points

3 Warbuggies w/twin linker rokkit launcha
105 points

10 shoota boyz w/big shoota & Trukk w/red paint job
105 points

10 shoota boyz w/big shoota & Trukk w/red paint job
105 points

4 Deffkoptas w/Twin-linked rokkit launchas, buzzsaw
350 points

1000 points

Proceed to heap abuse on me for my lackluster army making abilities.

By which I mean constructive criticism, if you please.

Looks solid; make sure the Warboss is in the Nob trukk with that Cybork body, since Cyborg is sloooooow.

Also; i would reccomend dropping something to put Nobz with Bosspoles in all your squads; with 10 Shoota Boyz you're not high enough to get the fearless Mob Rule, so you'll need those Bosspoles to avoid embarrising leadership failures.