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[GlyphGryph]

Edit: I wonder if the symbol of Space spinning in Skaia is significant... seems new.  A clue as to how they found their way through the farthest ring to their post-scratch descendants?  (This whole meeting is still in the farthest ring, right?)

You've got it the wrong way around. They found their way to their pre-scratch ancestors.

[Rolan7]

Edit: I wonder if the symbol of Space spinning in Skaia is significant... seems new.  A clue as to how they found their way through the farthest ring to their post-scratch descendants?  (This whole meeting is still in the farthest ring, right?)

You've got it the wrong way around. They found their way to their pre-scratch ancestors.

Ha, true, I forgot they would see the main trolls as ancestors.  But Karkat and Co are definitely post-scratch, right?  So Aranea's group has found post-scratch versions of their ancestors.  Like Rose meeting Roxy, a post-scratch version of her Mom.

[Aqizzar]

Original-Universe Trolls confirmed for having even crazier hair than their reset counterparts.  That shit is nuts.

The Homestuck Universe is fucking close to Hell.
Its Inhabitants have no individual freedom, since their actions are not only predestinated (which in itself arguably invalidates free will-or not) but forced unto them by the Alpha-timeline. Every attempt to break out of the destinated path only makes it happen and-in the most cases- kills you, your friends and your timeline, until no spectators are left.

The Heroes of our story are human only in upbringing. They are a paradox, life created out of nothing, randomly taking human form. As far as we know. they are carefully isolated from society- if such a thing even exists in HS- alone with their internet friends and a parent with varying competence. It's no wonder that Earth's annihilation has barely affected them.

While their origins as living paradoxes does make the protagonists slightly harder to conceptualize, I don't see where it makes them any more difficult to relate to.  They're like almost any other fantastical heroes, born of the heavens themselves and never knowing it until thrown into a coming-of-age adventure.

I hear people complain about this lack of reaction to Earth's annihilation, but think about it.  They are definitely dysfunctional people.  They are Internet stereotypes given human form, and are slowly fleshed out into complete figures.  Giving them dimension made most of the characters considerably more depressing to contemplate what their lives were probably like, especially the Kids if you piece together all the clues and carry them to a logical conclusion.  But then what do you have?  Eight kids (and twelve aliens) for whom "real life" did them no favors, who considered people they had never seen in person their best friends, wake up one day to watch the world end, and by the time they can process that fact with all of their thirteen years of life experience, have become living gods.  How would you react?

The predetermination I can swallow for two reasons.  One is that the characters rage mightily against it, which makes it a lot more tangible and emphatic.  But I suppose the main reason is just my interpretation of the story.  Especially with Aranea hinting about how the real "villain" of the story is much bigger question than just English or Jack, there's only one endpoint I can think of that would be worthy to end the story on.  The destruction of destiny.  Somewhere beyond all these big spacetime controlling entities is a way to end it all, and the characters will finally do exactly what the game promised them in the first place, making a new world (however literally) with no one to tell them what to do.

[penguinofhonor]

From the dude above Aranea, going clockwise, I think these people are the ancestors of:

Equius, Eridan, Tavros, Kanaya, Sollux, Karkat, Nepeta, Aradia, Gamzee, Terezi

[FuzzyZergling]

Eh, I've never been too bothered by destiny/fate-type shenanigans. So existance knows what you're going to do before it happens, so what?

[Aqizzar]

Sure was a lot of long hair in those days, and now we have two cases of the twin rattails.  They must have come from Alternia's 70s.

[SirAaronIII]

They must have come from Alternia's 70s.

Man, that's what I was thinking on seeing the Sollux equivalent's weird.. uh... I don't know what those are called. It's very 70s though.

[penguinofhonor]

Aqizzar, I think you have the Dolorosa and Mindglare switched. The troll directly above Meenah definitely looks like she has Terezi hair.

[SirAaronIII]

Like I said, that one looks like the one 2 panels later with jade green eyes.

[penguinofhonor]

Oh, yeah. That sort of proves me wrong. She also clearly has bigger horns than the other one.

[Bauglir]

Edit: I wonder if the symbol of Space spinning in Skaia is significant... seems new.  A clue as to how they found their way through the farthest ring to their post-scratch descendants?  (This whole meeting is still in the farthest ring, right?)

The spinning symbol appeared during Cascade as the Beat Mesa approached Skaia. I'm not sure it's the Space symbol (the strands are shaped slightly differently), and I think it's more of a "rewind" symbol. Their current location is presumably due to having been caught up in the dream bubbles Feferi asked for, because time in the furthest ring is arbitrary and inconsistent (I try to conceptualize it as running perpendicular to time everywhere else, including elsewhere in the furthest ring, like how time ran between the troll session and the human session, but meh).

[Jim Groovester]

It's the symbols for Time and Space.

Because it's resetting... time and space.

[Bauglir]

Oh. Wow. I'm kind of an idiot. I never got a good look at it during Cascade, and I just sort of saw it and didn't look closely this time. Woops.

[Soadreqm]

The predetermination I can swallow for two reasons.  One is that the characters rage mightily against it, which makes it a lot more tangible and emphatic.  But I suppose the main reason is just my interpretation of the story.  Especially with Aranea hinting about how the real "villain" of the story is much bigger question than just English or Jack, there's only one endpoint I can think of that would be worthy to end the story on.  The destruction of destiny.  Somewhere beyond all these big spacetime controlling entities is a way to end it all, and the characters will finally do exactly what the game promised them in the first place, making a new world (however literally) with no one to tell them what to do.

You know, when you put it that way, I think Lord English is a pretty good personification for all the predestination and weird time shit we've seen. He's summoned to the universe when it dies, and then travels backwards in time to orchestrate his own summoning. You can't escape him because he's already here. He could also be a metaphor for Death or something, but Destiny works as well.

[BackgroundGuy]

It's the symbols for Time and Space.

Because it's resetting... time and space.

http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005249

It's weird that Meenah is so likeable, despite basically being the same person who could have become transdimensional space-hitler.  Otherwise, I really want to see the other 9/12 Prescratch Troll Players.