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Change it to a full Jester, but without game-end on win

5 (20%)

Change it to a full Jester, with game-end on win AFTER day 3

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Total Members Voted: 25

[NUKE9.13]

I don't want to start major discussion whilst a game is going on, but I notice a few people have voted for the 'yes- as tech' option. If this option were applied, you would have to give the exterminator an extra tech point so that he can always take it because he always has to take it. But you can't do that, because that gives him the option to do all sorts of crazy stuff with three tech points.
I don't really want to write a wall of text explaining why the exterminator needs the Adv. Mind Shield.
Just saying that it would be nigh useless as tech, leaving the exterminator doomed to fail regardless of his actions.

[Pandarsenic]

3 tech points = broken

No shield can be crippling since he's on his own.

Nuke has it right. He needs it, guaranteed, for three.

And let's be honest, give him three points he'll taken Personal Shield and Plasma Bomb or Shield/Assassin Bot/Deadman Bomb or something that will be too strong. :I

[Leafsnail]

Wait, so when we say Advanced Mindshield, do we mean something like my suggestion that can't be detected too easily?

[Kashyyk]

Thats the impression I got, yes.

[NUKE9.13]

Wait, so when we say Advanced Mindshield, do we mean something like my suggestion that can't be detected too easily?

Exactly like your suggestion. Look up a few posts.

[Mephansteras]

Added some clarifications about the Scientist and abductions to the rules section.

[webadict]

Wait, so when we say Advanced Mindshield, do we mean something like my suggestion that can't be detected too easily?

Exactly like your suggestion. Look up a few posts.

I think he only needs a regular Mind Shield...

[NUKE9.13]

But that makes it pretty easy to find him; if he has a mindshield and is acting suspcious, he's the exterminator.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, and even a psychic warden would be able to clear people of being an Exterminator.

[webadict]

Yeah, and even a psychic warden would be able to clear people of being an Exterminator.

Uh huh... Or you could do a bit more than that.

If you have a Mind Shield, it doesn't stop everything. You've got Agents, Reporters, Vigilantes, Mafia, Mad Scientists, Alien Scientists, Alien Watchers and PWV. If anything, Psychic roles are the friggin' least of your problems.

If he's acting suspicious, he deserves to die. There. If you want to make it fair, try tuning DOWN roles. Not powering up roles.

[ToonyMan]

Discipline of Truth is a broken role.  Why isn't it gone yet?

[webadict]

Discipline of Truth is a broken role.  Why isn't it gone yet?

Because it's just not broken enough.

[Mephansteras]

Disciple of Truth is a powerful role, but I'm not convinced it's broken. Yet, anyway. We'll see how this game goes and then I'll make a decision on it.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, it is a powerful role, but a bit of creativity from the scum can usually remove the CT from play in a few days.

[JanusTwoface]

So, random idea I had that I thought I'd throw out for discussion:

What do you guys think about completely removing vanilla townies from the game?  It's already pretty close with less than 1-2 townies per game (if that).  With the exception of the 3-sided game a few rounds ago, anyways.

Anyways, I think it might be good to just remove them completely.  After all, there are plenty of roles to go around and this would mean that dopps / cultists that are role-claiming would have to come up with a convincing lie rather than just claim VT.  It would be even better if vanilla dopps / cultists still existed, because they'd have to make up roles that they don't even actually have and depend on their fellow teammates to back them up.

Anyways, thoughts?