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[Antioch]

Wait I haven't played in a while and I just read the .18 patch notes.

They removed resist mutation and basically all combat wands?

[Sarrak]

Wait I haven't played in a while and I just read the .18 patch notes.

They removed resist mutation and basically all combat wands?

Yep. Although they added other combat wands to counther that (iceblast, acid). All in all, wands did not suffer much. rMut absence hurts, but surprisingly not as much as expected. Its simply hard to keep a good mutation list from mid game into the end game. Clarity was a much more sensitive loss in comparison, at least for me.

[frostshotgg]

The ##crawl channel has a "footv" feature where you can stage pitched battles between NPCs on one of their SSH things.

You can also do that locally, thats what the arena feature is for.

[Ozarck]

I haven't played 0.18 yet - I think I'll wait til I get a few wins first. But, I think part of the reason they removed the wands they did was because of the new god, Pakellas? who gives the ability to recharge wands. that's a pretty significant boost there, from what I understand. But, that kinda nerfs the new guy a bit.

Or am I misreading it?

[frostshotgg]

Pakellas is still incredibly broken. Renewable Enslavement, anyone?

[Arcvasti]

Pakellas is still incredibly broken. Renewable Enslavement, anyone?

Wait, what kind of monster can't resist Enslavement and is still useful to keep around?

[frostshotgg]

It turns out with high Evo skill and Pak's Device Surge ability, a surprising amount to carry you through a large portion of the game. It falls off later on but the damage is done by that point and by then you're slinging 27 skill rod abilities and various evokables.

[Tiruin]

Wait I haven't played in a while and I just read the .18 patch notes.

They removed resist mutation and basically all combat wands?

Yep. Although they added other combat wands to counther that (iceblast, acid). All in all, wands did not suffer much. rMut absence hurts, but surprisingly not as much as expected. Its simply hard to keep a good mutation list from mid game into the end game. Clarity was a much more sensitive loss in comparison, at least for me.

Unless you chomp on all that mutagenic meat and drink all those mutation potions! (Real story--I got a nice list of good mutations from all that--albeit at a loss of a helmet slot, but that didn't matter for my only 0.18 Formicid win).
I've been searching for rMut items and the only one I have still known or searched was that on an unrandart ._.;

I haven't played 0.18 yet - I think I'll wait til I get a few wins first. But, I think part of the reason they removed the wands they did was because of the new god, Pakellas? who gives the ability to recharge wands. that's a pretty significant boost there, from what I understand. But, that kinda nerfs the new guy a bit.

Or am I misreading it?

Combat wands? ;._.
Last I played was ~0.7-ish, so I'm really unfamiliar with these combat wands.

It turns out with high Evo skill and Pak's Device Surge ability, a surprising amount to carry you through a large portion of the game. It falls off later on but the damage is done by that point and by then you're slinging 27 skill rod abilities and various evokables.

How powerful is the Evocations skill anyway? :O I've only played with Invocations and can infer that it helps those summoning items (ie Fan of Gales/Lamp...of fire?/Phial of...water?...Bag of spiders!) but also wands--how does it work and what significant level milestones exist?

[frostshotgg]

Evocations for wands is like a spell's school. The spell power, and by extension things like effect success chance, damage dealt, sometimes AoE. With decks, it's a bit less clear cut, but if you're not following Nemelex they're probably not worth your time anyways. They have what amounts to a big step function, and Nemelex gives you a huge push along that curve. Misc evocables all get particularly powerful with evoc skill, much moreso than wands. Box of beasts and sacks of spiders will summon much more powerful, longer lasting, and I think more numerous dudes. XP Evokables (Fan of Gales, Phial of Floods, Lamp of Fire, Stone of Tremors) do more damage, have a stronger secondary effect, and I think it effects the elemental they summon somehow? Finally, Disk of Storms. Disk of Storms goes from totally useless at 0 Evoc (You actually cannot successfully cast it with no evocations) to a huge murderboner if you have 20+ evoc and rElec. Its great.

[EnigmaticHat]

Evocations is a pretty mediocre skill under normal circumstances (so no related gods, nothing particularly weird about the loot you get).  It mainly functions to provide heavy armor characters with a form of special ability that doesn't care how encumbered they are (much like invocation).  Its pretty safe to either ignore it or use it as you please, except that most characters won't want it to be their first or even second priority for training.

[Antioch]

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CPTANT the Severer (Hill Orc Fighter)              Turns: 17716, Time: 00:53:46

Health: 114/114    AC: 31    Str: 31    XL:     13   Next: 22%
Magic:  16/16      EV:  8    Int:  8    God:    Okawaru [******]
Gold:   1034       SH: 10    Dex: 14    Spells: 0 memorised, 12 levels left

rFire  . . .      SeeInvis .    a - +4 war axe
rCold  + + .      Gourm    .    L - +10 plate armour of the Sunfish {rC+ Str+7 Dex+4}
rNeg   . . .      Faith    .    c - +0 shield
rPois  +          Spirit   .    n - +0 helmet
rElec  .          Dismiss  .    (no cloak)
rCorr  .          Reflect  .    B - +2 pair of gloves {archery}
SustAt .          Harm     .    (no boots)
MR     .....                    (no amulet)
Stlth  ..........               P - ring of protection from cold
                                w - ring of poison resistance

@: drained, not resistant to hostile enchantments, extremely unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Heroism, Finesse, Renounce Religion


You are on level 1 of the Orcish Mines.
You worship Okawaru.
Okawaru is exalted by your worship.
You are hungry.

You have visited 4 branches of the dungeon, and seen 18 of its levels.

You have collected 1146 gold pieces.
You have spent 112 gold pieces at shops.

Inventory:

Hand Weapons
 a - a +4 war axe (weapon)
 g - a hunting sling
 x - a hand crossbow
 Q - the +7 hand axe "Raipresu" {antimagic, *Drain Int+5}
   (You found it on level 12 of the Dungeon)   
   
   It disrupts the flow of magical energy around spellcasters and certain
   magical creatures (including the wielder).
   
   It affects your intelligence (+5).
   It causes draining when unequipped.
Missiles
 A - 23 tomahawks (quivered)
Armour
 c - a +0 shield (worn)
 h - the +8 orange crystal plate armour {Archmagi, Int+3 Clar SustAt}
   (You found it on level 2 of the Lair of Beasts)   
   
   It affects your intelligence (+3).
   It sustains your strength, intelligence and dexterity.
   It protects you against confusion.
 n - a +0 helmet (worn)
 B - a +2 pair of gloves of archery (worn)
 L - the +10 plate armour of the Sunfish (worn) {rC+ Str+7 Dex+4}
   (Okawaru gifted it to you on level 2 of the Orcish Mines)   
   
   It affects your strength (+7).
   It affects your dexterity (+4).
   It protects you from cold.
Jewellery
 w - a ring of poison resistance (left hand)
 P - a ring of protection from cold (right hand)
Wands
 b - a wand of slowing (14/48)
 q - a wand of paralysis {empty}
 s - a wand of flame (21/48)
 v - a wand of lightning {empty}
 C - a wand of iceblast
 D - a wand of random effects
 H - a wand of random effects
 O - a wand of disintegration
Scrolls
 d - 6 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 3 scrolls of amnesia
 o - 3 scrolls of blinking
 p - 3 scrolls of fog
 r - 9 scrolls of identify
 y - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 z - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 E - a scroll of enchant weapon
 I - 2 scrolls of noise
Potions
 e - 2 potions of invisibility
 i - 6 potions of curing
 j - 2 potions of flight
 k - 3 potions of brilliance
 t - a potion of cure mutation
 u - a green potion
 F - 2 potions of heal wounds
 J - a fuming white potion
Miscellaneous
 G - a sack of spiders
Comestibles
 f - 9 bread rations
 l - 9 meat rations
 K - 5 fruits
 M - 9 royal jellies
 N - 2 beef jerkies


   Skills:
 - Level 10.6(9.9) Fighting
 - Level 16.5(15.7) Axes
 + Level 0.3(0.0) Throwing
 * Level 14.2(13.4) Armour
 + Level 5.1(4.5) Dodging
 - Level 3.5(2.9) Shields
 + Level 4.6(4.0) Invocations
 + Level 3.1(2.5) Evocations
So.........

+8 orange crystal plate armour {Archmagi, Int+3 Clar SustAt}
or
+10 plate armour of the Sunfish (worn) {rC+ Str+7 Dex+4}

Sometimes this game make things so hard.....

[Antioch]

ok, after that I got an executioners axe of flaming......and crawl crashed.

bye bye axe >_>

[EnigmaticHat]

Its pretty good about the autosaves, you should be ok.

[Antioch]

Its pretty good about the autosaves, you should be ok.

No it reverted to before the god gift.

[frostshotgg]

Your next gift will almost certainly be that same axe. The rng is weird about that.