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[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

reaping revives a creature if a corpse is spawned.

[beorn080]

Note that if your a summoner after a battle with call imp and no need to eat, fire off call imp a bit and see if you can get some zombies. A few semi perm minions can make all the difference.

[Akhier the Dragon hearted]

If anything they can guard you while you regain mana

[quinnr]

Wait, I thought undead don't go down stairs...

[Nikinyo]

Wait, I thought undead don't go down stairs...

Not all undead, just skeletons and zombies. Personally, I prefer not to trust anyone to raise my zombies for me.
My favorite magic schools are Necromancy (Dispel undead rules!) and Enchantments. That's why my favorite god is Kiku...
Anyway, this time I decided to try clearing Orcish Mines right after I found the entrance (because my char turned out to be a mottled draconian with cool sticky flame) and I found 6 named enemies there (Ijub, Edmund, Maurice, Harold, Eustachio and Norbert). I don't remember meeting so many so close. None of them were not too dangerous or resistant to sticky flame, though.

Edit: Gastronok was there too.

[Mr.Person]

Mana as a summoner is a problem. Kind of annoying really.

Sif Muna can solve that problem nicely.

Anyway, this time I decided to try clearing Orcish Mines right after I found the entrance (because my char turned out to be a mottled draconian with cool sticky flame) and I found 6 named enemies there (Ijub, Edmund, Maurice, Harold, Eustachio and Norbert). I don't remember meeting so many so close. None of them were not too dangerous or resistant to sticky flame, though.

I thought they made it so that if 3 uniques were already generated on a floor, more would have a very high chance of not being generated. That might only be in the current trunk, though, I don't remember. Luckily, of those 6, only Harold and Eustachio are real threats. Lots of free Exp!

[beorn080]

Even if they don't follow you down, you can still use em for the current level, or as backup if you need to fall back while being tailed. Nothing says HI THERE like 4 zombie snakes, specially when Siggy is following.

[quinnr]

Okay thanks.

Also, does anyone actually use Sticks to Snakes regularly as a summoner? I see no point in it when I can summon imps without having to wield some sticks first.

[Nikinyo]

I thought they made it so that if 3 uniques were already generated on a floor, more would have a very high chance of not being generated. That might only be in the current trunk, though, I don't remember. Luckily, of those 6, only Harold and Eustachio are real threats. Lots of free Exp!

Well they were not exactly on one floor (Ijub on 1st, Maurice, Edmund and Gastronok on 3rd, and Harold, Eustachio and Norbert on 4th). Still, that's a lot for such a small branch. Good thing they all burned quite well). And yes, now I have ~5k unallocated exp. Nice.

[Mr.Person]

Wait, Gastronok? I hate that guy. Yeah, he's easy as hell when you have Sticky Flame, but he still pisses me off for some reason. It is nice to have a wizard hat of intelligence, though.

I don't know about you, but I only do Orc after doing Lair. I also usually turn off all my skills except for Dodging, Armour, Shields, and Fighting around the time I see the Orc Mines stairs. After all, which is going to help me more? Another point of mana or another point of EV? A slightly better spell success rate or another point of AC? Raising my damage multiplier or another 4 hit points?

Maybe I should ask, what level do you guys like to be before doing Elf? Some people do Elf:1-6 then come back for 7 later, some people like me do the whole thing in one big go. I know it depends on the character, but I don't find the late elves to be much more dangerous than regular elves if you know Abjuration and have good SH and EV. AC isn't effective vs Iron Bolt and Crystal Spear.

[beorn080]

Okay thanks.

Also, does anyone actually use Sticks to Snakes regularly as a summoner? I see no point in it when I can summon imps without having to wield some sticks first.

Imagine mammals, but with all of them almost as fast as bats and with a poison bite. Or using clubs/quarterstaffs and getting some of the bigger ones. It's worth carrying a stack of arrows, and if you can get poisoned arrows, well, its good.

[Akigagak]

And as it also raises your transmutation skill... If you can find a book with Distill and Evaporate, you can fire of a confusion potion, then summon the spammal horde. They'll have an even easier time than normal, and it stops more intelligent enemies going around the mass of rodents you summon.

[Robsoie]

I had my best run ever with a Deep Elf Wizard that reached level 12 and died on the 15th level of the dungeon, but i admit it this nice progress was -only- because i found a Book of Demonology.

The Summon Horde and Summon Demon spells are frankly astoundingly powerfull once you need something stronger than Call Imps. Before finding that book, i had lots of problems, mostly doing a hit and run tactic as i had a not that powerfull attack spells (magic dart and throw flame), as some monsters were resisting those too easily for my security.
Thanks a bunch to the Mephitic Cloud though, without it i would have certainly died before the 5th floor. It is really a life saver especially in crowded rooms.

I believe easily 80% of the enemies i killed after the 12th Dungeon floor (there were a lots of very nasty ones) would have killed me without the 2 demonic summon  spells.

My character unfortunately met his doom after opening a door to a room surrounded by metal walls, inside of it every tiles was covered by a powerfull hostile monster.
I blinked away and summoned as much demons as possible, it seemed to work very well, and i believe i could have beaten the legion of powerfull monsters with some attrition tactic.
But what i didn't see coming was a red wasp that appeared out of the blue and sadly  stinged me a lot without me noticing at first, i was too focusing on how my legion of demons fared in this huge battle (so tons of battle log to read, i missed stupidly the ones telling me about the sting hitting me repeatedly.)

So basically again a stupid death for an extremely promising character that could have certainly gone deeper.

I wish i had made a backup of the last save before the character died, i would really have liked to see how this big battle between my army of demons and the army of powerfull monster would have ended.

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Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup version 0.6.0 character file.

22472 Kinoumous the Conjurer (level 12, 0/51 HPs)
             Began as a Deep Elf Wizard on Apr 6, 2010.
             Was an Elder of Vehumet.
             Slain by a red wasp (6 damage)
             ... on Level 15 of the Dungeon.
             The game lasted 01:59:27 (14826 turns).

Kinoumous the Conjurer (Deep Elf Wizard)        Turns: 14826, Time: 01:59:28

HP   0/51        AC  7     Str  4      Exp: 12/31042 (55), need: 9557
MP  14/43        EV  2     Int 29      God: Vehumet [****..]
Gold 743         SH  0     Dex 13      Spells:  7 memorised, 13 levels left

Res.Fire  : . . .   See Invis. : .   y - staff of summoning
Res.Cold  : . . .   Warding    : .   a - +0 elf robe
Life Prot.: . . .   Conserve   : .   (no shield)
Res.Poison: .       Res.Corr.  : .   q - +2 wizard hat
Res.Elec. : .       Clarity    : .   e - +1 dwarf cloak
Spirit.Shd: .                        (no gloves)
Sust.Abil.: .       Rnd.Telep. : .   o - +0 pair of boots
Res.Mut.  : .       Ctrl.Telep.: .   (no amulet)
Res.Rott. : .       Levitation : .   u - ring of magical power
Saprovore : . . .   Ctrl.Flight: .   (no ring)

@: paralysed, burdened, very poisoned, very slow, slowed, somewhat resistant
to hostile enchantments, unstealthy
A: no striking features
a: Renounce Religion


You were on level 15 of the Dungeon.
You worshipped Vehumet.
Vehumet was extremely pleased with you.
You were encumbered.
You were not hungry.

You visited 2 branches of the dungeon, and saw 16 of its levels.

You collected 723 gold pieces.

Inventory:

Armour
 a - a +0 elven robe (worn)
 e - a +1 dwarven cloak (worn)
 o - a +0 pair of boots (worn)
 q - a +2 wizard hat (worn)
Magical devices
 n - a wand of hasting (0)
 p - a wand of cold (3)
 w - a wand of invisibility (2)
 z - a wand of disintegration (8)
 E - a wand of teleportation (6)
 J - a wand of fire (11)
Comestibles
 d - a bread ration
 f - 13 sultanas
 l - 9 strawberries
Scrolls
 h - a scroll of detect curse
 k - 5 scrolls of remove curse
 m - 2 scrolls of teleportation
 F - 2 scrolls of magic mapping
 H - a scroll of enchant weapon II
Jewellery
 j - an uncursed ring of teleportation
 u - a ring of magical power (right hand)
 A - an uncursed ring of magical power
 B - an uncursed ring of fire
 C - an uncursed ring of levitation
Potions
 g - 4 potions of healing
 i - 2 potions of heal wounds
 r - 2 potions of restore abilities
 s - a potion of brilliance
 G - 2 potions of poison
Books
 b - Roxanne's Catalogue of Moulding and the Mountains
   (You took it off Roxanne on level 15 of the Dungeon)   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Sandblast                          Transmutation/Earth          1
   Spider Form                        Transmutation/Poison         3
   Ice Form                           Ice/Transmutation            4
   Lee's Rapid Deconstruction         Transmutation/Earth          5
   Statue Form                        Transmutation/Earth          6
   
 c - a book of Minor Magic [flame]   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   *Magic Dart                        Conjuration                  1
   Summon Small Mammals               Summoning                    1
   *Throw Flame                       Conjuration/Fire             2
   *Blink                             Translocation                2
   Slow                               Enchantment                  3
   *Mephitic Cloud                    Conjuration/Poison/Air       3
   Conjure Flame                      Conjuration/Fire             3
   
 x - a book of Demonology   
   Spells                             Type                      Level
   Abjuration                         Summoning                    3
   Recall                             Summoning/Translocation      3
   *Call Imp                          Summoning                    3
   *Summon Demon                      Summoning                    5
   *Demonic Horde                     Summoning                    6
   Summon Greater Demon               Summoning                    7
   
Magical staves
 y - a staff of summoning (weapon)


 You had 55 experience left.

   Skills:
 - Level 3 Dodging
 - Level 3 Stealth
 + Level 12 Spellcasting
 + Level 14 Conjurations
 + Level 8 Summonings
 + Level 1 Translocations
 + Level 12 Fire Magic
 + Level 2 Air Magic
 + Level 3 Poison Magic


You had 13 spell levels left.
You knew the following spells:

 Your Spells              Type           Power          Success   Level
a - Magic Dart            Conj           #####          Perfect     1
b - Mephitic Cloud        Pois/Air/Conj  #######...     Excellent   3
c - Blink                 Tloc           N/A            Excellent   2
d - Throw Flame           Fire/Conj      #######        Excellent   2
e - Call Imp              Summ           #######...     Excellent   3
f - Demonic Horde         Summ           #######...     Excellent   6
g - Summon Demon          Summ           #######...     Excellent   5


Dungeon Overview and Level Annotations

Branches:
Dungeon (15/27)            Temple (1/1) D:7            Lair (0/8) D:13
   Hive (0/2) D:11       
   Orc: D:6-11       Vault: D:14-19     

Altars:
Cheibriados
Elyvilon
Fedhas
Kikubaaqudgha
Makhleb
Nemelex Xobeh
Okawaru
Sif Muna
The Shining One
Trog
Vehumet
Xom
Yredelemnul
Zin

Shops:
D:4: +  D:9: +  D:15: +

Portals:
Trove: D:10 (160 gold/1705 gold)

Annotations
D:3 exclusion: 91 steam clouds

Message History

You feel as though you will be slow longer.
* * * LOW HITPOINT WARNING * * *
The red wasp stings you but does no damage.
The red wasp stings you.
You are more poisoned.
You suddenly lose the ability to move!
You die...

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You could see a Green Death, a soul eater, a large abomination, a yaktaur shaped shifter, a red wasp, a phantom, a small abomination, a yellow wasp, a scorpion, a giant mosquito, a giant cockroach, a friendly hellwing, a friendly smoke demon, a friendly hairy devil, a friendly ynoxinul, a friendly red devil, a friendly orange rat zombie and friendly 4 ufetubi.

Vanquished Creatures
  Jozef (D:10)
  Norbert (D:12)
  Josephine (D:13)
  Erolcha (D:11)
  An ice statue (D:11)
  4 hill giants
  A cyclops (D:14)
  Maurice (D:10)
  A two-headed ogre (D:12)
  A troll (D:13)
  2 ugly things
  2 giant toads
  Edmund (D:7)
  3 hungry ghosts
  A hippogriff (D:11)
  2 necrophages
  A mottled dragon (D:11)
  6 orc warriors
  A yellow wasp (D:9)
  A slave (D:9)
  An ice beast (D:10)
  4 ogres
  6 centaurs
  2 phantoms
  5 giant frogs
  2 giant frog zombies
  2 big kobolds
  2 water moccasins
  A killer bee zombie (D:11)
  4 wights
  5 killer bees
  An electric eel (D:10)
  3 orc priests
  3 giant beetles
  2 shadows
  A big kobold skeleton (D:13)
  6 hounds
  A scorpion (D:3)
  4 orc wizards
  7 giant ants
  5 jellies
  8 gnolls
  A giant centipede (D:12)
  11 snakes
  A giant mite (D:3)
  4 worms
  A giant eyeball (D:13)
  3 giant cockroaches
  5 goblins
  19 hobgoblins
  14 jackals
  38 orcs
  6 quokkas
  12 giant bats
  5 giant geckos
  3 giant newts
  A giant spore (D:8)
  18 kobolds
  14 rats
  A small snake (D:2)
  2 ballistomycetes (D:13)
  17 toadstools
284 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (collateral kills)
  Rupert (D:15)
  Roxanne (D:15)
  Gastronok (D:10)
  An ogre mage (D:15)
  2 hydras (D:13)
  A griffon (D:14)
  Pikel (D:9)
  A hill giant (D:15)
  A statue (D:14)
  A stone golem (D:15)
  4 cyclopes
  A giant toad zombie (D:13)
  A hill giant zombie (D:13)
  A wolf spider (D:15)
  7 ugly things
  A rock troll (D:15)
  A two-headed ogre (D:15)
  A blink frog zombie (D:13)
  A wraith (D:14)
  A hippogriff (D:14)
  2 hungry ghosts
  A necrophage (D:13)
  An ice beast (D:11)
  3 slaves (D:9)
  A yak zombie (D:13)
  2 ogres (D:15)
  2 centaurs (D:14)
  A yak skeleton (D:13)
  A warg zombie (D:13)
  2 wargs (D:13)
  A giant snail (D:13)
  3 giant frogs
  An eye of draining (D:13)
  3 killer bees
  4 imps
  An orc priest (D:13)
  A hound (D:12)
  An orange rat (D:15)
  3 orc wizards (D:13)
  A scorpion (D:12)
  2 gnolls (D:15)
  A lemure (D:13)
  A giant centipede zombie (D:13)
  An ufetubus (D:13)
  3 grey rats (D:10)
  5 giant bats (D:10)
  2 hobgoblins
  2 jackals (D:13)
  4 orcs
  A quokka (D:10)
  A kobold (D:13)
  An orc skeleton (D:13)
  An orc zombie (D:13)
  4 rats
  4 ballistomycetes (D:13)
  A plant (D:13)
  A toadstool (D:15)
100 creatures vanquished.

Vanquished Creatures (others)
  A hellion (D:14)
  A giant toad zombie (D:13)
  A tormentor (D:15)
  2 orange demons
  3 hellwings
  A smoke demon (D:14)
  3 ynoxinuls (D:15)
  2 neqoxecs (D:15)
  A hairy devil (D:14)
  A red devil (D:15)
  A rotting devil (D:13)
  A beast (D:14)
  A troll skeleton (D:13)
  A giant frog zombie (D:13)
  An ogre zombie (D:15)
  17 imps
  10 manes
  11 lemures (D:13)
  11 midges (D:13)
  10 shadow imps
  23 white imps
  17 ufetubi
  A jackal (D:7)
  An orc (D:13)
  2 giant spores (D:13)
  A jackal skeleton (D:13)
  2 orc skeletons (D:13)
  2 orc zombies (D:13)
  A ballistomycete (D:13)
  13 toadstools
143 creatures vanquished.

Grand Total: 527 creatures vanquished

Notes
Turn   | Place   | Note
--------------------------------------------------------------
     0 | D:1     | Kinoumous, the Deep Elf Wizard, began the quest for the Orb.
     0 | D:1     | Reached XP level 1. HP: 6/6 MP: 7/7
   635 | D:1     | Reached XP level 2. HP: 10/10 MP: 6/10
  1112 | D:2     | Reached XP level 3. HP: 14/14 MP: 8/13
  1463 | D:3     | Reached XP level 4. HP: 3/18 MP: 8/16
  1754 | D:3     | Learned a level 3 spell: Mephitic Cloud
  1757 | D:3     | Learned a level 2 spell: Blink
  1777 | D:3     | Reached skill 5 in Spellcasting
  1782 | D:3     | Reached skill 5 in Conjurations
  1984 | D:3     | Reached skill 6 in Conjurations
  2214 | D:3     | Noticed Thorngunstruck's ghost
  2307 | D:4     | Found Ixtuik's Book Shoppe.
  2319 | D:4     | Reached XP level 5. HP: 23/23 MP: 15/19
  2351 | D:4     | Reached skill 7 in Conjurations
  2660 | D:4     | Reached skill 8 in Conjurations
  2957 | D:5     | Entered Level 5 of the Dungeon
  2970 | D:5     | Reached XP level 6. HP: 26/26 MP: 14/21
  3224 | D:5     | Reached skill 9 in Conjurations
  3706 | D:5     | Found an ancient bone altar of Kikubaaqudgha.
  3806 | D:5     | Reached XP level 7. HP: 31/31 MP: 10/23
  3886 | D:6     | Learned a level 2 spell: Throw Flame
  3918 | D:6     | Noticed Edmund
  4327 | D:7     | Defeated Edmund
  4476 | D:7     | Found a staircase to the Ecumenical Temple.
  4482 | D:7     | Reached skill 10 in Conjurations
  4494 | Temple  | Entered the Ecumenical Temple
  4564 | Temple  | Became a worshipper of Vehumet
  5014 | D:7     | Reached XP level 8. HP: 35/35 MP: 20/26
  5345 | D:7     | Reached skill 11 in Conjurations
  5988 | D:8     | Reached skill 5 in Fire Magic
  6011 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Poison Magic
  6045 | D:8     | Found a burning altar of Makhleb.
  6217 | D:8     | Reached skill 1 in Air Magic
  6720 | D:9     | Learned a level 3 spell: Call Imp
  6806 | D:9     | Reached XP level 9. HP: 37/39 MP: 25/28
  6844 | D:9     | Acquired Vehumet's first power
  6870 | D:9     | Noticed Pikel
  6986 | D:9     | Defeated Pikel
  7223 | D:9     | Reached skill 12 in Conjurations
  7297 | D:9     | Found Kaef's Book Emporium.
  7371 | D:10    | Entered Level 10 of the Dungeon
  7727 | D:10    | Noticed Jozef
  7954 | D:10    | Defeated Jozef
  7954 | D:10    | Reached XP level 10. HP: 43/43 MP: 9/29
  7996 | D:10    | Found a portal to a secret trove of treasure.
  8262 | D:10    | Noticed Gastronok
  8267 | D:10    | Reached skill 1 in Summonings
  8519 | D:10    | Noticed Maurice
  8686 | D:10    | Reached skill 5 in Summonings
  8695 | D:10    | Defeated Gastronok
  8976 | D:10    | Reached skill 10 in Spellcasting
  9117 | D:10    | Reached skill 13 in Conjurations
  9290 | D:10    | Defeated Maurice
  9393 | D:11    | Noticed Erolcha
  9536 | D:11    | Defeated Erolcha
  9918 | D:11    | Reached XP level 11. HP: 48/48 MP: 26/31
 10123 | D:11    | Found a staircase to the Hive.
 10205 | D:11    | Noticed Harold
 10540 | D:11    | Acquired Vehumet's second power
 10676 | D:12    | Noticed Norbert
 10693 | D:12    | Defeated Norbert
 10865 | D:12    | Reached skill 14 in Conjurations
 10882 | D:12    | Learned a level 6 spell: Demonic Horde
 11609 | D:13    | Reached skill 10 in Fire Magic
 11627 | D:13    | Noticed Josephine
 11838 | D:13    | Found a staircase to the Lair.
 11841 | D:13    | Noticed a giant snail
 11877 | D:13    | Noticed a yak skeleton
 11882 | D:13    | Noticed an orc skeleton
 11884 | D:13    | Defeated an orc skeleton
 11907 | D:13    | Defeated Josephine
 12240 | D:13    | Defeated a giant snail
 12296 | D:13    | Acquired Vehumet's third power
 12579 | D:12    | Learned a level 5 spell: Summon Demon
 12629 | D:13    | Defeated a yak skeleton
 13087 | D:13    | Noticed a big kobold skeleton
 13089 | D:13    | Defeated a big kobold skeleton
 13628 | D:14    | Reached XP level 12. HP: 46/51 MP: 25/33
 14178 | D:15    | Entered Level 15 of the Dungeon
 14181 | D:15    | Noticed Roxanne
 14217 | D:15    | Defeated Roxanne
 14223 | D:15    | Got a torn book
 14231 | D:15    | Identified Roxanne's Catalogue of Moulding and the Mountains (You took it off Roxanne on level 15 of the Dungeon)
 14318 | D:15    | Noticed Rupert
 14342 | D:15    | Defeated Rupert
 14534 | D:15    | Acquired Vehumet's fourth power
 14759 | D:15    | Found Baozax's Book Shop.
 14826 | D:15    | Slain by a red wasp



[Grendus]

Okay thanks.

Also, does anyone actually use Sticks to Snakes regularly as a summoner? I see no point in it when I can summon imps without having to wield some sticks first.

Imagine mammals, but with all of them almost as fast as bats and with a poison bite. Or using clubs/quarterstaffs and getting some of the bigger ones. It's worth carrying a stack of arrows, and if you can get poisoned arrows, well, its good.

Wait... you can summon snakes with arrows/bolts? If I had known that, I would have used that spell more. I thought I would have to collect clubs, detect curses, equip them, and cast that spell. Took way too long, especially since a summoner's real advantage is overwhelming numbers.

My first experiment with summon elemental summoned a wild wind elemental who killed me. Next time, if I try that again, I'll try it next to a staircase while surrounded by spammals.

[beorn080]

Summon elemental is a unique skill. I wouldn't use it as a summoner, but as an elementalist it works wonders.  The numbers work out like

You have a x chance in y for elemental to be friendly, where x is your relevant elemental skill and y is:

    * 5 for earth elemental
    * 15 for air
    * 10 for fire
    * 15 for ice if not merfolk, 5 if merfolk

So, if you can get 5 earth, your golden. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother, far too much risk and training required.