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[FallacyofUrist]

You're tapping a dry well Fal. I'd ask the opposite. How are they scum for using their ability?

That's not an answer to my question, Tric.

To answer your question, removing a Day phase is an overall net negative for the Town. The fact that the nightkill was prevented, twice, doesn't really excuse the fact that Spin's ability would have made it possible for scum to kill twice in a row without any execution being performed.

Removing an opportunity for the town to discuss their Night 1 results and perform an execution based on that and Day behavior is profoundly anti-Town.

The execution is our primary weapon to remove mafia from play. Spin removed a use of the execution from play. That is profoundly scummy.

Tell me how Max's behavior indicated that he is Town. How did he hunt for mafia players? How did he question and investigate others?

Give me the scoop, Tric.

Now please answer my question, Tric.

[Maximum Spin]

To answer your question, removing a Day phase is an overall net negative for the Town. The fact that the nightkill was prevented, twice, doesn't really excuse the fact that Spin's ability would have made it possible for scum to kill twice in a row without any execution being performed.

Removing an opportunity for the town to discuss their Night 1 results and perform an execution based on that and Day behavior is profoundly anti-Town.

The execution is our primary weapon to remove mafia from play. Spin removed a use of the execution from play. That is profoundly scummy.

This is why I clearly telegraphed it, explained to town that I would be taking a huge gamble, and took advice on whether I should do it.

You know I could've saved that as an effective LYLO-breaker, right? In contrast, n1 was the only night I would feel safe using it, with town having the most to gain and least to lose. And, look, it paid off. Maybe you should have more faith in me?

[FallacyofUrist]

Of course, if I were designing a role like yours, and it was a mafia role, I would have added caveats to make sure it couldn't be used to break LYLO.

Any such caveats, of course, would be revealed once Magma eats your role.

I'm not especially willing to wait for that, though. Unless you're willing to execute juicebox?

[Maximum Spin]

Of course, if I were designing a role like yours, and it was a mafia role, I would have added caveats to make sure it couldn't be used to break LYLO.

Why would you do that? That wouldn't be fun at all.

I'm not especially willing to wait for that, though.

I wasn't aware it was up to you to decide.

[Imp]

This is interesting.

So, 4maskwolf and FoU claim nearly identical roles, in terms of locked until deaths happen.  (PPE, and Vermilion shares info about something death-locked he also has).
 

I was unable to perform any action on either of those nights due to the mechanics of my role.

I will also probably be unable to perform an action on Night 3 due to the mechanics of my role.

I wonder why FoU claims likely inability to act N3 as well, and if that also likely affects 4mask - PPE --- Oh!  FoU needs 2+ deaths to function.  Wow, FoU must be very powerful to be that locked.

Re 4mask claiming the tracking;
Track is one of the possible things my 1-shot can give.  I wanted you to state it because I have a mafia inspect on you and figure if you're not solo maf and not a miller, then your team knows that I can give whatever you got; why not share with the class; if you claimed something I cannot give that helps give me more info that maybe I didn't inspect YOU and gotta find someone else, or maybe you're trying to go around and hide what you got - your answer seems honest and I'm not hunting someone else I think I actually inspected, I think I did inspect you.

Are those colors indicative of your wolf and town reads? Because your wolf reads being entirely AFKs and Mater is NAGL.

No, I'm quite verbose about my reads, and quite unclear about who I may inspect next.  The orange are folks possible at that point to have actually been who I inspected because they hadn't said enough to say if they'd gotten the action from me (While 4mask was my target redirects are possible, as are duplicates and other weirder things; AP was 'among the counted' as of N2 but the red inspect is N1, if I inspected AP N1 he wasn't 'counted' yet and I can't confirm that/get the extra info) and as of D3 there probably isn't enough info for a baddie to wanna say they didn't get my 1-shot even if they did.  Since I have a mafia inspect result, I want to be very sure of who I actually inspected.  I presume wherever the 1-shot ends up is also where my inspect very probably ended up, and want to be very sure (randomizers if you exist please leave me alone ).  Also, if there's no need for me to claim my ability, let's not.  I tried to give you and the whole thread loads of time; if I can understand my result in a way that makes it clear I probably don't have a real mafia hit for any reason, it's not time to claim for me.

At the time I claimed, I was very afraid of the thread just moving on and hammering/getting bored and hammering/actions used that might end day early/stuff I can't even imagine, and waited a loooooong-feeling time with you having just made 1 post and my making the equivalent of hints that I knew the alignment of the other person who got a 1-shot from me.  So it seemed time because of everything going on.

First of all, why are you not voting me if this is the case.

But I actually believe you because I know my role, and I'm kicking myself for not claiming the absolutely bizarre alignment fuckery that is my role, I assumed it wouldn't be relevant until I had a chance to act at which point it would be more useful to the town. Because now my claim is going to, at best, cause chaos.

I start the game as a miller and what alignment I peek as changes based on who I target with my day action or any night actions I gain with it. My day action only works on dead players so I have not gotten a chance to use it, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't work with outside gifted actions so unfortunately I can't be inspected right now to determine juicebox's alignment.

I am not voting at this time because I'm not ready for the day to end.  I am concerned about hammers and concerned that there's other evil folks even if you are evil, maybe multiples, all of whom might be VERY happy for their own independent or not reasons to hammer someone with a reasonably towny reason to be hammered.  I'm also aware despite my inspect result, you COULD be something other than mafia, and I want that info, along with loads more info.  Even with the red on you, I'm scared AP could be an arsonist, there could be other problems to solve especially if we can potentially pin you with a roleblock or something, should we decide to.  All that requires more time to talk.

But if you live and are able to target me with anything non-lethal (while I'm alive, I can't act after death of my own abilities), I specifically invite you to target me should you choose, I'd be interested in inspecting you again and seeing how that result compares once you're 'among the counted'.  That said, that's pretty low priority for me, I want to find anti-town and if we're letting you live and not pinning you, apparently we think you're not a problem and I need to find anti-town more than I need to check out interesting puzzles.

And that by no means reduces Max's own scumminess. There's enough redirects floating around that it could easily be a result of someone else, plastered over 4mask's face.

FoU, that's why I paired giving the 1-shot to my inspect target.  Redirect 1, redirect both.  Whoever got the fruit, very likely I got their inspect result as well.  I targeted 4maskwolf for both actions; 4maskwolf claimed getting the 1-shot, nobody else claimed a 1-shot gain N1 that could match (Max's is claimed by TricMagic and from details they've mentioned, doesn't sound like it could be what I can give; I think I have 4mask's inspect result)

I submitted an incredibly SK-themed role, for your information. So naturally I got Town as my alignment. My luck is apparently willing to make exceptions to me being always scum whenever it's ironic enough.

As per Beginner BYOR 2.

Once Lidku flipped I guess none of us considered he would have been bold enough to crane his scumbuddy first, huh?

Fallacy should've known, he's been scum with me before.

You assume I know how to play town.

This was my first town game in forever. I doubt I'll be town again unless I submit a similarly ironic role next time, unfortunately.

Which isn't how probability is supposed to work, but you know, this is the first time I've been town in a webadict game in years, so I think I'm allowed to say that probability is biased against me being town.

Hey, for what it's worth, remember you said yes when I asked if I might try to do something about that, right?  grins Then I went off and was maf a bit more than 50% of the time in my first 13 turbos at MU, practiced ensuring I could find normal probability again (yes) then was maf 4/5 games in a row, the not-maf game being here and a very deadly survivor; almost maf .

I "made friends with your 'friend'", I want to keep it with me, you should be 'free' now, and I know how to request probability manipulation or not from it.

Since we're playing a make-believe game, I can talk about stuff like that, freely inside of make believe, right?    It's all lies or pretend, and people in disguise can speak freely, yeah?

But I think you get to enjoy normal probability from here on out, and I get to negotiate before I rand (which I now know how to do, and won't cheat because I'm done verifying so now it would be cheating), or I can enjoy being scum a lot.  I like stuff like this, it's cool, I asked you for your consent to get involved knowing what might result   It has other advantages for me, totally not game-related.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC5ZiK6o7uQ  And of course I'm totally lying about all of this, because stuff like this can't be real (my rand record since you said yes is viewable by anyone, but coincidence can explain it for you and me both) but hey, it's worth talking about sometimes, like any other make believe.

Alright mostly caught up now.

I'm utterly baffled by the way Imp played that reveal.

Why would you assume I was "hiding saying shit shit shit", how was I supposed to know I was peeked. The only information I got given was that I received a one-shot track. Which you should know, it's your role.

Why, the moment I claimed I received the one-shot on N1, did you not just claim your peek. I've already given the mechanical confirmation that was needed, there's no need to slow role the reveal, it doesn't really benefit anyone.

Like the bizarre timing and accusations around the claim feel like a wolf rolepeeked me, saw I was a miller N1, and wasn't sure if they should go for the kill until I was afk for several days.

You have an interesting interpretation of my behavior.

So, I expected (and still expect) you to play.  You could be busy; we went into weekend.

Your 1st post today seemed pretty different from the other posts you made D1.  I asked and asked and checked and hoped.  You think I wanna claim inspect if you're even maybe not actually maf?  Why are you seeing/claiming 'Imp must be evil intentioned' instead of seeing a player that wants to find evil and if you're not it doesn't want to reveal what they are and how they've been hunting for evil?

If I'm evil intentioned, why would I set it up this way, why do you think I think you and exactly you need to die?  I clearly have a VERY intricate and multifaceted set of role abilities if my wincon's 'elim 4maskwolf'  But if I'm evil, any town would do, and it's not best for me to claim cop there, there's other ways to do it, and clearly NONE of the suspected folk are acceptable to me, PLUS from D3 I'm ready to have my supposed 'red' flips all flip green, or I'm cool with you flippin' whatever you do then I just call everyone else green, I guess?

Not sure what you think I'm doin', you're thinking weird to even think that early in, to my thoughts.  So I wonder if you are indeed scum going 'umm, so!', maybe totally honest about your out-of-game situation, sorry for that, I have kinda similar and this game just lucked out to get me cosy with wanting to focus on it.

I took days to get to that 'Okay, so, 4mask is hiding scum?' because that does match the pattern.  I'm not used to you not posting for multiple real life days of game time, for all this is a VERY long D3 in terms of real life hours.  Could the fact you fear a red inspect on you, paired to getting the ability, and my statements about Vermilion who also got an ability probably from me being a problem to you?  I thought maybe so.  It's a maybe; I only know mech.

I struggle to see how non-evil you could think my reveal seems scummy.  I don't look like a cop hoping to only reveal if I really had a good reason to, and really needed to, to you why?

If I understand the mech correctly exactly one of Vermillion or Oliverz is a wolf.

According to my understanding Imp's ability revealed to three people that they had all targeted Imp N1. One claimed a fruit vendor ability that was confirmed by Imp, one claimed bulletproof bodyguard who knows when they get hit, and one vagueposted an investigative claim.

So it's Oliverz or Vermillion who's a wolf, and it all comes down to whether your trust the claim of bulletproof aware bodyguard.

If Oliverz is a wolf AP is never paired with him off that as well I'm pretty sure. You don't fruit vend the NK target.

Adding to this, Vermilion is a green town inspect to me, and he's 'among the counted' so there's extra mech going on.  It's possible I could be fooled, but I got extra info I am not discussing.  He got my 1-shot, I got extra info too, and I'm quite sure I inspected him, not anyone else.  It's 100% certain I inspected 1 of the 'counted' for sure, and it's a reasonable match to his claims/not a match to the other 'counted'/cannot be someone 'uncounted' and if it matches one of the 'counted not-him' they need to talk a lot more/I will find out as I continue to investigate among the 'counted', whenever that is.

4mask, I'm scared AP's joke could be part of something like being doused.  What do you think about my concern there, should I be aware that could be going on, why or why not?

Also, why does one of them have to be a wolf, what's your understanding of the mech there?

who also can read the night results of dead players

Uh, did you mean to claim that part? Nobody's died yet.

Reading comprehension bestie.

Reading comprehension.

I note we have other people making claims of a similar-ish ability, definitely we have 2 folks claiming they are dead-player-locked and 1 who gets info specifically about the dead.  Maybe he intentionally pointed it out now, though I have no idea.  But that's what I thought when I saw it.  Increases the odds that I did indeed investigate Vermilion and not a different 'counted', this continues to be consistent with the extra info I got.

Of course, if I were designing a role like yours, and it was a mafia role, I would have added caveats to make sure it couldn't be used to break LYLO.

Any such caveats, of course, would be revealed once Magma eats your role.

I'm not especially willing to wait for that, though. Unless you're willing to execute juicebox?

Whaaaaa uhh.  Dang, my mind was telling me either someone says yes to the extort, and Magma GETS 1 ability and can continue to extort (I presume, the free extort once 2 abilities gained doesn't make much sense if it poofs once accepted) OR that the person refuses and when someone accepts, Magma gets the 1 ability and the previous refusers LOSE all abilities, but they don't go to Magma (So how could anything be confirmed/revealed once Magma eats the role?)

Magma, would you explain how it would work?

[Magma Mater]

If I understand the mech correctly exactly one of Vermillion or Oliverz is a wolf.

According to my understanding Imp's ability revealed to three people that they had all targeted Imp N1. One claimed a fruit vendor ability that was confirmed by Imp, one claimed bulletproof bodyguard who knows when they get hit, and one vagueposted an investigative claim.

So it's Oliverz or Vermillion who's a wolf, and it all comes down to whether your trust the claim of bulletproof aware bodyguard.

If Oliverz is a wolf AP is never paired with him off that as well I'm pretty sure. You don't fruit vend the NK target.

Presumably, the mafia performing the kill wouldn't be seen targeting Imp because they would be redirected to Vermilion. At least, that's how I'd rule it as a game moderator. That said, there is enough evidence against Oliverz to consider lynching him regardless of mech.

@Imp If my target is killed or lynched before the following night, my ability has no effect. So if we were to lynch Max here, my ability use would be effectively cancelled.
As for your most recent question, I can only take an ability if they decide to give one to me. Otherwise, they just disappear into the void.

4maskwolf
I'd be pretty comfortable ending the day now. I don't think there's anything else to discuss. And if Max isn't lying then we're skipping night three anyway.

[Elephant Parade]

Votecount
+ 4maskwolf: Maximum Spin, TricMagic, Magma Mater (3)
- AnimePigeon: (0)
- Crystalizedmire: (0)
- FallacyofUrist: (0)
- Imp: (0)
- juicebox: (0)
- Magma Mater: Oliverz144 (1)
- Maximum Spin: FallacyofUrist (1)
+ Oliverz144: Crystalizedmire, juicebox, 4maskwolf (3)
- TricMagic: (0)
- VermilionSkies: (0)
- Wolfkey: (0)

- No Lynch: (0)

Not Voting: AnimePigeon, Imp, VermillionSkies, Wolfkey (4)

With 12 votes in play, it’s 7 to hammer (6 to hammer No Lynch).

Day 1 ends Tuesday, 8:30 PM PST (in 2 days and ~8 hours).

[Imp]

I'm bummed out about the day ending early/at this point.

Like, is my suspected arsonist gonna keep dousing people I think are townie?  We have no reason given for him to target townie folks based on what he's saying.  How townie is Juicebox?  Unsure.  Nothing looks wrong there.

I don't think, as a 'fruit vendor' myself (hey, I could give a give-fruit ability!  Just I'm more likely to give something actually with a functional result) that AP's claimed visible action is 'strong enough'.  It's way weaker than mine and mine's hiding an inspect(or other stuff, but inspect's darn useful and I need heavy motivation to do something else instead).  The heck is his hiding?  Alternative hypothesis he's got something great coming once unlocked.

What's MM gonna do with that extort and is it gonna be used by someone MM or other to mess up stuff I wanna rely on?

Has 4mask said enough?  Has Wolfkey?

Vermilion hasn't talked much.  Is there more he wants to read and comment on?  I get the impression he might have been away most of D3, maybe he still has more to read, maybe he's forming ideas and writing them when he has time.

4maskwolf just claimed some stuff.  How does everyone react?  If 4mask is partnered, there's 1+ partner(s) gotta react.  If 4mask is innocent or something else is going on, how does everyone react?

Juicebox hasn't talked much.  Does JB have more to say?

I've got so many questions and so much wonder it's all flying around my head.  I want more to read and consider if we can get it!

I'm cool with the skipped N3, I just wanna make sure we get all the good we get from D3 and D4 both.

[Imp]

CM posted #190, last post of D1
Wolfkey, #232:

I would rather have a townie get elimminated rather than no elimination.

Please explain your reasoning

CM doesn't post again until D3, #293

I was unable to perform actions on n1 and n2. Did anyone else experience something similar to this?

How does Wolfkey follow up on this?

Well, he busses CM and Mater.  If I suspected CM, would I bus that pair?  Presuming Wolfkey could have either RB or bussed CM N1, why bus N1.  Seeing no kill happen, in N2, having bussed CM and Mater, why roleblock CM then?

I'd like these answers from Wolfkey, and why he's not following up on sus of CM D3 or really exploring/playing at all during the D3 day game.

I can even read protection of CM in the play and actions used/action claims used if they're lies, so I definitely want to hear more from Wolfkey.

[Maximum Spin]

I agree and do not believe we should end the day early.

[AnimePigeon]

Every instinct I have is telling me the same thing it was telling me d1: Magma and Fallacy are a scumteam.

If Magma proves to be anti-town I propose we move directly to Fallacy.

You are blatantly on a scumteam with juicebox and Tric. Your votes are synching up, even.

Has this tactic ever worked?

I'll trade a life for a life if I'm wrong. Lynch me tomorrow, it's fair - and it'll keep me from ever having the chance to use the thing Tric gave me that I would never have chosen not to use n2 as scum anyway but somehow you still think it's a possibility.

But if I'm right, you have to make the same bet.

How about whichever one of us scumhunted the least thus far is executed first?

That happens to be you, as it happens.

Even if we compare you and Magma Mater, it's still you.

Your scum play is slipping.

In my opinion, I would rather avoid situations of voting Fallacy/Maximum, then depending on the reveal, flipping Maximum/Fallacy.

That's a terrible way forward with this game.

Worst Case Scenario (and likely the most likely I feel) is your both Goods that are disillusioned with the efforts of the other.

I'm still uncertain of Magma Mater/l

[TricMagic]

You and me both Anime, but we've got the guilty result on a miller who didn't claim day 1, but when they were going to be lynched. If they are town they effectively wasted a cop's investigation. They didn't give a track result until the late part of the day, when normally you'd either save it for your target to lie about, or back them up once they've given it, or even to report it early on. Forgivable if it weren't for the whole miller and red  inspect part.

[Imp]

So much fascinating ignoring of my questions/probes concerns.  AnimePigeon.  I won't insist on this elim and we have plenty of time left before day end.  I find a possible/likely arsonist extremely distracting.  I'd learn even more from seeing the flip than I would from my 'counted' inspect that I may not even live to see.  Maybe this persuades more diverse conversation, though given it's AP, who knows.  I don't expect AP to cave to pressure.  I do pressure vote, but I'd be fine with this flip, this can be considered a killing-intention vote from me (instead of an exploratory or pressure vote; this isn't part of a magical hammer-vote like my last survivor game).

AP, I mean, I'm still listening.  But you're not talking about anything I've asked.  I think I'm looking at my killer-to-be, one that can walk right around Vermilion, and if we elim you today...

1) Maybe you don't ignite on your own elim.
2) Maybe you can't douse anyone else even if you don't ignite the next chance you get.
3) I am not overly concerned about this side of it as I struggle to read interactions between players, but if you turn out to be mafia, regardless of if you douse as well, that probably increases the odds that 4mask might be maf instead of mason since you seem pretty sure he's town for no reason I can tell other than 'you feel he's towny'.  Other players besides myself will help make that decision if it is part of the equation.

I don't entirely expect we flip you today or tomorrow.  But omg I currently want you flipped.  I am kicking myself so hard for not having inspected you last night (no particular reason why I would, I'd be leery about Vermilion if I hadn't inspected him as well).

Reminder for those that haven't seen it - the joke isn't named.  Someone, and a joke, and you laugh.  This isn't quite a 'fruit vendor' action, as you're not told who did it, if I caught that fine distinction.  (Mine as far as I know doesn't say I gave it either, I'm not a true fruit vendor either).

[4maskwolf]

I am not voting at this time because I'm not ready for the day to end.  I am concerned about hammers and concerned that there's other evil folks even if you are evil, maybe multiples, all of whom might be VERY happy for their own independent or not reasons to hammer someone with a reasonably towny reason to be hammered.  I'm also aware despite my inspect result, you COULD be something other than mafia, and I want that info, along with loads more info.  Even with the red on you, I'm scared AP could be an arsonist, there could be other problems to solve especially if we can potentially pin you with a roleblock or something, should we decide to.  All that requires more time to talk.

But if you live and are able to target me with anything non-lethal (while I'm alive, I can't act after death of my own abilities), I specifically invite you to target me should you choose, I'd be interested in inspecting you again and seeing how that result compares once you're 'among the counted'.  That said, that's pretty low priority for me, I want to find anti-town and if we're letting you live and not pinning you, apparently we think you're not a problem and I need to find anti-town more than I need to check out interesting puzzles.

It's personally quite amusing to me that you suspect AP is a fruit vendor arsonist because I've died to that exact role before over on MU, it was an SK role in my first mash.

I am curious why you're concerned about hammering today when D1 you were perfectly happy to hammer no elimination early. It was only 30 minutes early but it still cut off discussion.

Alright mostly caught up now.

I'm utterly baffled by the way Imp played that reveal.

Why would you assume I was "hiding saying shit shit shit", how was I supposed to know I was peeked. The only information I got given was that I received a one-shot track. Which you should know, it's your role.

Why, the moment I claimed I received the one-shot on N1, did you not just claim your peek. I've already given the mechanical confirmation that was needed, there's no need to slow role the reveal, it doesn't really benefit anyone.

Like the bizarre timing and accusations around the claim feel like a wolf rolepeeked me, saw I was a miller N1, and wasn't sure if they should go for the kill until I was afk for several days.

You have an interesting interpretation of my behavior.

So, I expected (and still expect) you to play.  You could be busy; we went into weekend.

Your 1st post today seemed pretty different from the other posts you made D1.  I asked and asked and checked and hoped.  You think I wanna claim inspect if you're even maybe not actually maf?  Why are you seeing/claiming 'Imp must be evil intentioned' instead of seeing a player that wants to find evil and if you're not it doesn't want to reveal what they are and how they've been hunting for evil?

If I'm evil intentioned, why would I set it up this way, why do you think I think you and exactly you need to die?  I clearly have a VERY intricate and multifaceted set of role abilities if my wincon's 'elim 4maskwolf'  But if I'm evil, any town would do, and it's not best for me to claim cop there, there's other ways to do it, and clearly NONE of the suspected folk are acceptable to me, PLUS from D3 I'm ready to have my supposed 'red' flips all flip green, or I'm cool with you flippin' whatever you do then I just call everyone else green, I guess?

Not sure what you think I'm doin', you're thinking weird to even think that early in, to my thoughts.  So I wonder if you are indeed scum going 'umm, so!', maybe totally honest about your out-of-game situation, sorry for that, I have kinda similar and this game just lucked out to get me cosy with wanting to focus on it.

I took days to get to that 'Okay, so, 4mask is hiding scum?' because that does match the pattern.  I'm not used to you not posting for multiple real life days of game time, for all this is a VERY long D3 in terms of real life hours.  Could the fact you fear a red inspect on you, paired to getting the ability, and my statements about Vermilion who also got an ability probably from me being a problem to you?  I thought maybe so.  It's a maybe; I only know mech.

I struggle to see how non-evil you could think my reveal seems scummy.  I don't look like a cop hoping to only reveal if I really had a good reason to, and really needed to, to you why?

I don't think you specifically need me dead, I think that if you're a wolf and role peeked me this is probably exactly how you'd play it. You know how my role works and know you have plausible deniability for my flip.

What pattern does it match, exactly? My wolf pattern? My wolf pattern is high activity, same as town, so me not posting for two days would generally be assumed to be real-life related (as it was) rather than alignment related.

Like this explanation makes no sense to me. "your first post today looked different from yesterday" Yeah it was a one-line confirmation that I'd received a gift I'm not sure what you'd expect it to look like?

You ask why I didn't think you were a cop slowrolling it and it could well be the case, but you didn't play it like one. Your posts are massive so I admit I mostly skimmed them when I was catching up but you didn't apply pressure or even vote me on grounds unrelated to your claim to hide the fact that you'd peeked me from my potential scumbuddies, you just vagueposted about my inactivity and claimed a peek.

If I understand the mech correctly exactly one of Vermillion or Oliverz is a wolf.

According to my understanding Imp's ability revealed to three people that they had all targeted Imp N1. One claimed a fruit vendor ability that was confirmed by Imp, one claimed bulletproof bodyguard who knows when they get hit, and one vagueposted an investigative claim.

So it's Oliverz or Vermillion who's a wolf, and it all comes down to whether your trust the claim of bulletproof aware bodyguard.

If Oliverz is a wolf AP is never paired with him off that as well I'm pretty sure. You don't fruit vend the NK target.

Adding to this, Vermilion is a green town inspect to me, and he's 'among the counted' so there's extra mech going on.  It's possible I could be fooled, but I got extra info I am not discussing.  He got my 1-shot, I got extra info too, and I'm quite sure I inspected him, not anyone else.  It's 100% certain I inspected 1 of the 'counted' for sure, and it's a reasonable match to his claims/not a match to the other 'counted'/cannot be someone 'uncounted' and if it matches one of the 'counted not-him' they need to talk a lot more/I will find out as I continue to investigate among the 'counted', whenever that is.

4mask, I'm scared AP's joke could be part of something like being doused.  What do you think about my concern there, should I be aware that could be going on, why or why not?

Also, why does one of them have to be a wolf, what's your understanding of the mech there?[/quote]
As I mentioned above I've seen a very similar role before and it's not impossible but it's one of those things where you just kinda have to shrug and decide if you think AP is independently wolfy because without a more thorough peek/a flip there's no way of knowing what AP's actual role is beyond the fruit vendor side.

If I understand the mech correctly everyone who targeted you N1 was notified of all the other people who targeted, and Vermillion claimed BP aware bodyguard who blocked a kill. So if Vermillion is telling the truth either someone tried to shoot Vermillion N1 (possible, but I think unlikely) or one of the other two tried to shoot you.

who also can read the night results of dead players

Uh, did you mean to claim that part? Nobody's died yet.

Reading comprehension bestie.

Reading comprehension.

I note we have other people making claims of a similar-ish ability, definitely we have 2 folks claiming they are dead-player-locked and 1 who gets info specifically about the dead.  Maybe he intentionally pointed it out now, though I have no idea.  But that's what I thought when I saw it.  Increases the odds that I did indeed investigate Vermilion and not a different 'counted', this continues to be consistent with the extra info I got.
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Okay I could be completely misreading it, but I'm pretty sure in context it was a clear hypothetical of "I could be a wolf IF this specific event is the case."

or back them up once they've given it

Erm... that's exactly what I did? I claimed my track result once Juicebox claimed to back up what he was saying?

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EBWOP can confirm it does not tell you who gave you an ability when you use it, only that I gained the action.