Jim:
As I've said, your argument is a well-constructed house with no foundation. I asked you about this on repeat because you are a well known supervet. It's perfectly reasonable that you might have a solid foundation but it's just so automatic to you that you'd skip bothering to explain it, assuming that *everyone* would understand the connection. So I simply asked for you to make it explicit. and then asked again when you didn't.
You don't have one.
Here's what your argument boils down to:
1) Tricmagic is not only not maf, but is
above all suspicion and confirmed as not maf.
2) FoU is pushing a case against someone that is above all suspicion and confirmed as not maf.
3) therefore FoU is scum.
As I said before, I did think that only one of you and Max were scum. Well Max was able to provide justifications that actually made sense even if I don't agree with them. Max was able to spell out exactly why Tric seemed town to him. And to be honest, Max still emotionally feels town to me, though that feeling has been rocked a bit and I still don't have a good basis for it.
You don't have any of that.
Step 1 of your argument, the foundation you're building off of, is completely insane. I have zero reason to believe that you would actually believe it. But I've asked you repeatedly if that's what's really going on:
Jim: You and I have extremely different views of FoU. Why do you think FoU is scum? I doubt it's only FoU's stance on Tric, despite that being the only thing you said when you voted him.
It literally is only about his stance on TricMagic. FallacyofUrist has been around and should recognize that this is 100% unteamed TricMagic, yet he suspects him.
Why suspect TricMagic? Dunno. I think it's an easy read that town FallacyofUrist should easily be capable of.
FallacyofUrist is alwaysscum but he's also not very good at being scum, so I tend to think he reveals his agenda much more freely than other players would, which is what I think I'm seeing here.
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Jim: Do you mind presenting your full case for us? this is all I can find:
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And then your most recent two posts.
The problem I have here is that your entire basis is that "FoU's argument is bad". You don't include what the actual problem with the argument IS.
Please, take the extra steps to build a foundation for your house. What is the core, base, central, problem with FoU's case that makes FoU scum for having it? Stop skipping this step please.
FoU is scum because he thinks TricMagic is scum which is completely incompatible with my meta read on TricMagic. Moreover, if FallacyofUrist were genuinely town, I think he should have the same read about TricMagic that I do given that I think he's a capable enough player for it and he's played with TricMagic enough to recognize it.
There are also aspects of his scum play that I recognize, but these showed up after my initial vote on him. I elaborated a bit in my previous post.
I don't think I've been mysterious about my reasons why so I'm confused why there's a gap for you. I wasted too much time answering this befuddling question.
It's not a befuddling question. It's not a hard question at all. It's simply one you didn't want asked, because you don't have an honest answer.
The best you can do is "FoU's read of Tric isn't MY READ, and MY READ is infallible and perfect."
You don't even have a basis for your read. It's a meta-read of a player that you have admitted yourself you have never seen play scum.
I think the only points of reference for TricMagic's non town game are Fallacy's BYOR whatever where he was a dragon (deez nutz), the one cult game I ran where he was the cult leader, and then notquitethere's Revolutions game. If he's been scum in other games I don't recall them.
Fallacy's BYOR is a wash since he was a third party SK and did literally nothing SK-like. In the cult game I think I recall him blending into the background and from what I remember of Revolutions TricMagic dialed down the boisterousness, exuberance, personality, etc., a lot for that game.
This game's TricMagic does not match Revolutions or the cult game I ran, but it does match literally every game TricMagic is town in and when he was a dragon or otherwise not on a team, which is what people have been saying.
On what planet does a situation where you only have data from one perspective can
anyone make a reasonable meta-read off of that data? let alone the near-infalible and everyone else would also agree with one that you're claiming you have. Don't bother trying to sell a single Revolutions game as enough either. One data point in a not-mafia-even-though-related game doesn't cut it and everyone knows it.
Right now, you smell blood in the water. You have FoU flailing. You and I and everyone can all see it. But you're doubling down on your pressure. You're making it clear that this is a full lynch case you're pushing. You are not trying to collect data. You are not asking questions. You're following through on your case in an attempt to make FoU the day's lynch over this. If you were town, you'd have taken a much calmer stance, and attempted to scout FoU out properly. Instead you saw a weakness and are now following up on it to get a townie lynched.
You've overextended Jim. If you were town, you'd either have a foundation to your argument, or would have multiple separate weak arguments you could combine to build your case. You're the most likely scum here, and are who I want lynched today.
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