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[Madman198237]

At our present low-tech lots-of-guys standpoint, hopper-fed is good enough right now.

We'll work on that after we fill out some various gaps in our forces.

[Khang36]

Fair enough and with a rate of fire of 60 shells you only need 1 or 2 loaders any ways though we will need to fix the elevation issue.

[Madman198237]

Fair enough and with a rate of fire of 60 shells you only need 1 or 2 loaders any ways though we will need to fix the elevation issue.

Good luck fixing that.

It's because the ammo falls out of the hopper as you traverse the gun at high elevations. Also, gravity won't help load as much, meaning reduced firerate...or the gun just stops firing.

[Khang36]

Fair enough and with a rate of fire of 60 shells you only need 1 or 2 loaders any ways though we will need to fix the elevation issue.

Good luck fixing that.

It's because the ammo falls out of the hopper as you traverse the gun at high elevations. Also, gravity won't help load as much, meaning reduced firerate...or the gun just stops firing.

We can have something like those stuff you see on oneway gears to keep the shells from falling out.

[Blood_Librarian]

η: Name our glorious country Gubirsk

[Detoxicated]

Viva quetzac...

please elaborate why you disagree madman... we have seen fake russia fake greece arabia and england why not aztecs?

[Taricus]

Aztecs are boring, that's why

[Madman198237]

Because Aztecs require blood sacrifices, and we need those idiots to be meatshields for the army, not killed for the vanity of the priests.

[Detoxicated]

Well since those days we have reformed... we are commjnist and therefore atheist by definition.  Also you do realize that it was mostly catholic propaganda...

[TopHat]

PTW.

[RAM]

I would hazard a guess that the most compelling reason to avoid Aztec themes is because their entire culture was systematically destroyed and so there really isn't much to base anything off of. We would have an easier time being Carthaginian-themed...

[Nirur Torir]

5.3: Make it steam powered. We have 4/5 coal used, but 1/1 diesel.

7.1: [Small Project]

8.1: [Small Project]

9.1: [Medium Project]

12.2: Counter-proposal: [Medium Project] - I think it's too ambitious for a small project, and we have two medium slots anyway.

14.1: [Medium Project]

B: Rifles and Destroyers
 1900 rifles (190 production)
 7 Revolutionary Torpedo Boat Destroyer (1617 tonnage + 210 production)

This brings us up to 10 destroyers. This still isn't nearly enough, but I don't want to be completely without replacement troops.

Zeta:
The small engineering teams will work together as a medium team for this year.

I vote for 5 & 5.3, but not 5.2. I also vote 6, 11.1, 12.1 & 12.2, B, alpha, beta, and zeta.
The boat, because we need a cheap naval force expansion, a rifle upgrade, artillery, and briefly merging the small teams for more artillery. I don't want 5.2 so that we can build more, and build them purely with the wharf. We'll need that factory output for artillery.

Spoiler: Proposal Tracker (click to show/hide)

1 - Belt-Fed Improved Light cannon - Medium Project

1 - RAM

2.1 The Model 1921 Sidearm; A ten round semi-automatic pistol using a 10x25mm cartridge [Small Project]

1 - VOI,

2.2 Include 10+ round detachable box magazine and detachable stock

3. The Model 1921 Machine Gun; a belt fed, air-cooled machine gun utilising the 8x54mm cartridge [Medium Project]

2 - VOI, 3_1

3.2: Ammunition is to be fed via decintergrating belts, able to be carried in a wire-stiffened bag.

4. The Model 1921 Trench Gun; A Pump action shotgun using 12mm buckshot cartridges[Small Project]

5. The M21 Torpedo boat; a fast, petrol engine boat mounting two torpedo tubes and a few Mosins for the crew. [Large Project]

3 - VOI, RAM, Nirur

5.2: Also mounts 1x 40mm cannon. Torpedoes are to be 500mm in diameter wet-heater designs.

5.3: Make it steam powered.

1 - Nirur

6. The SAMN-1921; a semi-automatic rifle chambered in 8x54mm, with a five round removable magazine, and using a gas operated, Rotating bolt. [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

6.2: Utilize a lighter round instead, namely the 6x45mm round, and a ten-round magazine.

7. M21 grenade; a 750 gram 45mm fragmentation grenade with smooth exterior walls and a 75 gram bursting charge.

1 - 3_1,

7.1: [Small Project]

8. M1891/21 grenade discharger; a modification of the Mostin-Nagant into a short carbine with the ability to launch a M21 grenade.

8.1: [Small Project]

9. M21 75mm mortar; a three-piece medium mortar with a range of 2000m and 4kg HE warheads to start with.

9.1: [Medium Project]

10.1 Large CF80a-1921 "Gladius Pile":Conversion of the 80mm naval gun to a high-precision side-loaded towed field-gun for counter-battery and anti-aircraft roles.

1 - RAM

11.1 Medium CH160a-1921 "Dinosaur Rift": 160mm bombardment howitzer based upon the 160 mm naval cannon.

2 - RAM, Nirur

12.1 Small CM40a-1921 "Cute Apple": 40mm Infantry Mortar for close-range fire support to infantry forces.

2 - RAM, Nirur

12.2: Counter-proposal: [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

13.1 Large AF400a-1921 "Molar Joy": A fighter-styled Biplane with a range of 400kilometres intended for air defence and balloon hunting.

14: GM-21 "Ratio" Gun-Howitzer: 105mm gun-howitzer

1 - 3_1,

14.1: [Medium Project]


A: Big Guns

RAM: 1

B:Rifles and Destroyers

1 - Nirur

C:
D:
E:
F:

αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ
α - Clear out the sunken destroyer and get the wharf ready to build.

3 - VOI, 3_1, Nirur

Beta: Construct a firing range and office for calculating range tables for artillery on various forms of ground.

3 - 3_1, RAM, Nirur

Gamma: See about getting our nations hands on a FT-17 or three.
δ: Nation= "Juice Wagon"

1 - RAM

ε: RAM's naming Privileges revoked
Zeta: For this year, the small engineering teams will work together as a medium engineering team

1 - Nirur

[Madman198237]

Sorry man, but 5.3 is getting the hatchet right now.
Gasoline/diesel is far more efficient that a steam boiler. So, the original torpedo boats WERE steam launches, but we can go faster, smaller, and more efficient by using diesel, even if we're limited.




GAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH Why can't you people follow the simple hideously complex formatting procedures!?!?!?

Spoiler: Proposal Tracker (click to show/hide)

1 - Belt-Fed Improved Light cannon - Medium Project

1 - RAM

2 The Model 1921 Sidearm; A ten round semi-automatic pistol using a 10x25mm cartridge [Small Project]

2 - VOI, MAD

       2.1 Include 10+ round detachable box magazine and detachable stock

3. The Model 1921 Machine Gun; a belt fed, air-cooled machine gun utilising the 8x54mm cartridge [Medium Project]

3 - VOI, 3_1, MAD

       3.1: Ammunition is to be fed via decintergrating belts, able to be carried in a wire-stiffened bag.

4. The Model 1921 Trench Gun; A Pump action shotgun using 12mm buckshot cartridges[Small Project]

5. The M21 Torpedo boat; a fast, petrol engine boat mounting two torpedo tubes and a few Mosins for the crew. [Large Project]

4 - VOI, RAM, NIR, MAD

      5.1: Also mounts 1x 40mm cannon. Torpedoes are to be 500mm in diameter wet-heater designs.

      5.2: Make it steam powered.

1 - NIR

      5.3: COUNTER 5.2: No steam power, steam power increases size and less loses speed.

1 - MAD

6. The SAMN-1921; a semi-automatic rifle chambered in 8x54mm, with a five round removable magazine, and using a gas operated, Rotating bolt. [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

     6.1: Utilize a lighter round instead, namely the 6x45mm round, and a ten-round magazine.

7. M21 grenade; a 750 gram 45mm fragmentation grenade with smooth exterior walls and a 75 gram bursting charge.

1 - 3_1,

     7.1: [Small Project]

8. M1891/21 grenade discharger; a modification of the Mostin-Nagant into a short carbine with the ability to launch a M21 grenade. [Small Project]

9. M21 75mm mortar; a three-piece medium mortar with a range of 2000m and 4kg HE warheads to start with. [Medium Project]

10 CF80a-1921 "Gladius Pile":Conversion of the 80mm naval gun to a high-precision side-loaded towed field-gun for counter-battery and anti-aircraft roles. [Large Project]

1 - RAM

11 CH160a-1921 "Dinosaur Rift": 160mm bombardment howitzer based upon the 160 mm naval cannon. [Medium Project]

2 - RAM, NIR

12 CM40a-1921 "Cute Apple": 40mm Infantry Mortar for close-range fire support to infantry forces. [Small Project]

2 - RAM, NIR

     12.1: Counter-proposal: [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

13 AF400a-1921 "Molar Joy": A fighter-styled Biplane with a range of 400kilometres intended for air defence and balloon hunting. [Large Project]

14: GM-21 "Ratio" Gun-Howitzer: 105mm gun-howitzer [Medium Project]

1 - 3_1,

A: Big Guns

RAM: 1

B:Rifles and Destroyers

1 - Nirur

C:
D:
E:
F:

αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ
α - Clear out the sunken destroyer and get the wharf ready to build.

3 - VOI, 3_1, Nirur

Beta: Construct a firing range and office for calculating range tables for artillery on various forms of ground.

3 - 3_1, RAM, Nirur

Gamma: See about getting our nations hands on a FT-17 or three.
δ: Nation= "Madman's Vacation Home"

1 - RAM

ε: RAM's naming Privileges revoked
Zeta: For this year, the small engineering teams will work together as a medium engineering team

1 - Nirur

[Taricus]

Agreeing with Madman, a steam engine is not going to be useful for a torpedo boat.

Spoiler: Proposal Tracker (click to show/hide)

1 - Belt-Fed Improved Light cannon - Medium Project

1 - RAM

2 The Model 1921 Sidearm; A ten round semi-automatic pistol using a 10x25mm cartridge [Small Project]

3 - VOI, MAD, Taricus

       2.1 Include 10+ round detachable box magazine and detachable stock

3. The Model 1921 Machine Gun; a belt fed, air-cooled machine gun utilising the 8x54mm cartridge [Medium Project]

4 - VOI, 3_1, MAD, Taricus

       3.1: Ammunition is to be fed via decintergrating belts, able to be carried in a wire-stiffened bag.

4. The Model 1921 Trench Gun; A Pump action shotgun using 12mm buckshot cartridges[Small Project]

1 - Taricus

5. The M21 Torpedo boat; a fast, petrol engine boat mounting two torpedo tubes and a few Mosins for the crew. [Large Project]

5 - VOI, RAM, NIR, MAD, Taricus

      5.1: Also mounts 1x 40mm cannon. Torpedoes are to be 500mm in diameter wet-heater designs.

      5.2: Make it steam powered.

1 - NIR

      5.3: COUNTER 5.2: No steam power, steam power increases size and less loses speed.

1 - MAD

6. The SAMN-1921; a semi-automatic rifle chambered in 8x54mm, with a five round removable magazine, and using a gas operated, Rotating bolt. [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

     6.1: Utilize a lighter round instead, namely the 6x45mm round, and a ten-round magazine.

7. M21 grenade; a 750 gram 45mm fragmentation grenade with smooth exterior walls and a 75 gram bursting charge.

1 - 3_1,

     7.1: [Small Project]

8. M1891/21 grenade discharger; a modification of the Mostin-Nagant into a short carbine with the ability to launch a M21 grenade. [Small Project]

9. M21 75mm mortar; a three-piece medium mortar with a range of 2000m and 4kg HE warheads to start with. [Medium Project]

1 - Taricus

10 CF80a-1921 "Gladius Pile":Conversion of the 80mm naval gun to a high-precision side-loaded towed field-gun for counter-battery and anti-aircraft roles. [Large Project]

1 - RAM

11 CH160a-1921 "Dinosaur Rift": 160mm bombardment howitzer based upon the 160 mm naval cannon. [Medium Project]

2 - RAM, NIR

12 CM40a-1921 "Cute Apple": 40mm Infantry Mortar for close-range fire support to infantry forces. [Small Project]

2 - RAM, NIR

     12.1: Counter-proposal: [Medium Project]

1 - Nirur

13 AF400a-1921 "Molar Joy": A fighter-styled Biplane with a range of 400kilometres intended for air defence and balloon hunting. [Large Project]

14: GM-21 "Ratio" Gun-Howitzer: 105mm gun-howitzer [Medium Project]

1 - 3_1,

A: Big Guns

RAM: 1

B:Rifles and Destroyers

1 - Nirur

C:
D:
E:
F:

αβγδεζηΘικλμηνξοπρΣτυΦχψΩ
α - Clear out the sunken destroyer and get the wharf ready to build.

3 - VOI, 3_1, Nirur

Beta: Construct a firing range and office for calculating range tables for artillery on various forms of ground.

3 - 3_1, RAM, Nirur

Gamma: See about getting our nations hands on a FT-17 or three.
δ: Nation= "Madman's Vacation Home"

1 - RAM

ε: RAM's naming Privileges revoked
Zeta: For this year, the small engineering teams will work together as a medium engineering team

1 - Nirur

[10ebbor10]

Yeah, first, a few clarifications.

For resource consumption, I round up. You can run more than 3 boats on a shipload of Diesel.

On that note, if you want a better voting procedure, propose and put it to a vote and I'll consider it.