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[TolyK]

Can you completely claim your full role name and ability names? Without directly quoting, of course.

[Tea]

Tea You said you control the dead; the 'dead FoU' is still bloody acting.

BUT, Persus; I don't see how it implies a Mafia still alive. The rule is in action and seems isolated from whether Mafia live or not?

Also dudes, turn your pages to Night 1. There was a kill--Persus absorbed it in his face, and then there's the abduct-kill(Presumed kill because Pozzai died the next night; N2).
SOMEHOW this is working again rather than disappearing N1.
SOMEHOW some stuff happened between then and now that didn't let it occur on N2/N3 if I presume it hit only on N1.

Also seriously people haven't fullclaimed yet. Hector, Persus, Tea, TolyK (Or at least, Tea and TolyK didn't do it in a nice list format )
NEXT

~Fullclaim~

Role Name: Calendar Man
-> (Batman character who I am not actually very familiar with but my brother mentioned him recently sooo)
Theme: Permanently dead players can still influence the game

Rewind, 1-shot auto - I revive on death. This reloads 1 cycle after being used
Holiday, Night - Due to <Calendar Man flavor> I go do my thing of celebrating a holiday and robbing ppl, the effect being that I become untargetable
Doomsday Device [target], 1-shot unusable - After I die I can kill [target]
Absentee Vote, 1-shot unusable - After I die I can PM Webadict a vote

N1 took no action and had my vote stolen
N2 took no action and had my vote returned
N3 used Holiday

I have since confirmed that my abilities that are currently unusable become usable after I die for the first time, even if Rewind takes effect.

[Persus13]

Being the lynch target always makes me less willing to engage in the game. I'm trying to figure out the piece to the puzzle that's missing here, but there's so many roles obscured I can't find it.

Also, if TDS fired of his convert before he died, we may have to lynch Tiruin or Flabort. Any action on that front should wait until the Shakelon flip is revealed however.

Jack, if Doll got redirected to me, who did the redirect? If it was 4mask, whose the only player I'm aware of who has a redirect, why would he hit me with it?

Losing almost every action after the first death makes play unusually dull afterwards.

And that accurately describes my play, yeah.

Persus13: Please give more detail on your claim.  What were the names of your lost powers?  Does anything distinguish the Third Defenestration from the Second role-wise?  Also, do you remember why you blocked TBF N1?

My power names are all variations of Defenestration. The protect was Defensive Defenestrate, roleblock was Defenestrate, randomize is Disorientation Defenestration. The Third Defenestration has a separate set of abilities, which I'll reveal if (when at this point) I get them.

I blocked TBF because I was suspicious of him and couldn't get a good read on him. I figured that if there were no kills that night I'd have found scum. Since there were two, I put my suspicions of TBF on the back burner in favor of better targets. Although now that I'm thinking about it, TBF could have been a PWV.

Flabort:

I am so regretful that I aided the cultist by using Spiders Everywhere - but it did gain me some abilities that turned out to be useful when I used it, so I don't regret that.

Elaborate on this.

[Tea]

What is a PWV?

[Tiruin]

PFP (fone)

Tea/Persus if either of you are demoralized, what's your case on anyone else? We've got 6 people--and early on, Hector managed to even turn the reasoning tide to a better outcome.

Even if YOU are on the lynching block, doesn't stop youfrom making a case in the first place.

That, and to note that there's two anti-town left (them daykillers), makes this a really closed setup; despite lynching Mafia twice.

Also I can't easily quote but if ever TDS converted (only suspect is Flabort other than L-S; its less of a threat than anything as only the alignment changed, and prior to that we've got roleclaims out)
And that's if he did convert in thw first place (very possible considering the non-phase specific ability, but I'm betting he could be using it for LYLO situations, as possible too. Because it's set at one-shot is also an influence)

Being the lynch target always makes me less willing to engage in the game. I'm trying to figure out the piece to the puzzle that's missing here, but there's so many roles obscured I can't find it.

Id love to hear more here (phone posting has a lot of backspace :p so I can get TBFs lacking qyoting...although the brevity, not so much .-.)
Because you have a...puzzle in mind?

What's sticking out?
Also will check later but why didnt you push a TBF case or any vote/mention of his block later on?

What is a PWV?

Paranoid War Veteran--the role that makes a kill action on anyone directly or redirectly targeting.them.

[Tea]

PFP (fone)

Tea/Persus if either of you are demoralized, what's your case on anyone else? We've got 6 people--and early on, Hector managed to even turn the reasoning tide to a better outcome.

Even if YOU are on the lynching block, doesn't stop youfrom making a case in the first place.

That, and to note that there's two anti-town left (them daykillers), makes this a really closed setup; despite lynching Mafia twice.

I did start making a case on Jack. The response from both you and TolyK (who have a majority of the votes in play Today) was essentially that your read on him is based on a body of work that the rest of the game lacks access to. I do not feel that you have satisfactorily explained what led you to that read well enough that I feel comfortable sheeping it, and as such we're basically at an impasse. The only other person I actually suspect (of being mafia) is Persus, and I've talked about why that is too.

I would like to reiterate that I am unsure that the first kill came from living anti-town and thus think we should focus on finding the last mafia.

[flabort]

Flabort:

I am so regretful that I aided the cultist by using Spiders Everywhere - but it did gain me some abilities that turned out to be useful when I used it, so I don't regret that.

Elaborate on this.

When I got spiders everywhere I didn't know what it did or who it belonged to. I used it, still not knowing, and gained 3 abilities as a result as three people besides me had web strands.
Later I learned that this ability aided the cultist; but I learned this when they flipped.

[Tiruin]

Flabort:

I am so regretful that I aided the cultist by using Spiders Everywhere - but it did gain me some abilities that turned out to be useful when I used it, so I don't regret that.

Elaborate on this.

When I got spiders everywhere I didn't know what it did or who it belonged to. I used it, still not knowing, and gained 3 abilities as a result as three people besides me had web strands.
Later I learned that this ability aided the cultist; but I learned this when they flipped.

Three?
You were only mentioned alongside TWO others. Who is that third besides you?

I did start making a case on Jack. The response from both you and TolyK (who have a majority of the votes in play Today) was essentially that your read on him is based on a body of work that the rest of the game lacks access to. I do not feel that you have satisfactorily explained what led you to that read well enough that I feel comfortable sheeping it, and as such we're basically at an impasse. The only other person I actually suspect (of being mafia) is Persus, and I've talked about why that is too.

I would like to reiterate that I am unsure that the first kill came from living anti-town and thus think we should focus on finding the last mafia.

What about before I was invited to TolyK chat with Jack? What about Jack's background with TolyK since D1?

[flabort]

Flabort:

I am so regretful that I aided the cultist by using Spiders Everywhere - but it did gain me some abilities that turned out to be useful when I used it, so I don't regret that.

Elaborate on this.

When I got spiders everywhere I didn't know what it did or who it belonged to. I used it, still not knowing, and gained 3 abilities as a result as three people besides me had web strands.
Later I learned that this ability aided the cultist; but I learned this when they flipped.

Three?
You were only mentioned alongside TWO others. Who is that third besides you?

Once more I delve into my post history to explain something which I've explained 7 or 8 times now:

1-shot, Night, target (gained N2): Bigly: steal a vote from target. can destroy ability to make vote steal permanent, votes return if I die.
1-shot, mafiakill (gained N2): Monster Within: Convert target to your alignment, if successful you die and flip as their role + alignment, they gain this role.
auto (gained N2): Balance: Cannot use the same ability twice in a row.

[/quote]

[Tiruin]

Yay for fixing my shame on quicktopic .-.
Alongside that, Webadict Votecount please?

Them day actions are processed at the count, and I don't want the 'end of the day' being the only time when we get those last, and ultra-late, batch of day actions done.

Like Persus 'day acting' on Flabort.

[webadict]

Persus has 2 votes, Tiruin has 1.

That's my super fast vote count.

[Tea]

I did start making a case on Jack. The response from both you and TolyK (who have a majority of the votes in play Today) was essentially that your read on him is based on a body of work that the rest of the game lacks access to. I do not feel that you have satisfactorily explained what led you to that read well enough that I feel comfortable sheeping it, and as such we're basically at an impasse. The only other person I actually suspect (of being mafia) is Persus, and I've talked about why that is too.

I would like to reiterate that I am unsure that the first kill came from living anti-town and thus think we should focus on finding the last mafia.

What about before I was invited to TolyK chat with Jack? What about Jack's background with TolyK since D1?

What about those things?

Look, Lurker Tracker doesn't really work for me so I went and ctrl+f'd "Life is too short for worries" on Every. Page. and skimmed for what you've said about Jack. I didn't find much.

Spoiler: D1 (click to show/hide)

REEDS list! [Made from Papyrus! On Papyrus!]
Tea/Pozzai - both lean town to me because of how their content is parsed, even if some content is a bit askew :p
Shakerag - ...I still have to ask. When he said SK/Miller, I took that more like 'he's an SK, but he said miller, so he'll appear as Mafia, when he's an SK' >_> That's why I voted him in the first place. And then unvoted because :v
TBF - Leaning Ugh moreso because of how he posts. >_< It's unhelpful to not be aware of one's own 'how I post' affecting others' ideas of them but also that his posts are reactionary and sporadic. It's at times, needless, but if it's something like meatspace-Mafia, it's a reaction like being verbalized in text and posted. He's been like this as scum before--which is one reason why I'm voting him, otherwise he'd be neutral but ugh. Other reasons are in between my re-read, and me crumpling under horribad internets.
doll - This is either going to end up hilarious or otherwise, either way I'm hugging him because I choose to believe him saying his role name and stuff. Which helps me. That said, I see him as town-leaning explicitly because he's being expressively transparent, or obliquely transparent that it's moreso translucent if he's scum [and he's just doing Day1 for kicks and funstuff]. And reminds me of Vector because they're cool. And I miss them. :V
. . .

flabort - I've read a bit about you...but nothing stood out. In the 'active' sense, partly biased by me being all that you're back. But more activity please :I
TheDarkStar - I feel like you're more active in other places than here. But there IS a DCSS tournament going on and you're ruling the game :V That game. But please more here too.
Lenglon -...I guess your alignment is the same as Shakerag's now?
Tiruin - Hi! I'm Tiruin.
origamascienceguy - absent ;~;
TolyK
hector13
FallacyOfUrist
Persus13
Jack A T - reading pretty well. His initial marks and how he acted leave me to note him as leaning town given what he's doing and what he's planning and his kindness [not his kindness = town/scum lean, per se, but his kindness in expression telling me more than the value of his content into his alignment] Tawny!
4maskwolf

>_> I seriously have to re-read a lot. Because I'm either getting humor/nice reads on people and having fun, or these are all in the gray zone.
Also I'm town. Please boop me nicely. [No investigates please; I'll show up town. No I'm not a bloody Godfather. Yes I tell the truth always.] :v

Which, uh. You did townread him, for reasons I don't quite follow.

Spoiler: D2 (click to show/hide)

Now lets' have some Day 2 reeds.
Many are gray because i haven't had time (because no net :V) to update my notes and otherwise.
Everyone: Why is FoU or Flabort being the spotlight of the day? (as far as I've gathered as it seems anyway)

4maskwolf -  Same as FoU
FallacyOfUrist -  Haven't followed on this guy thanks to a ton of otherguys that were more interesting [no offense]; hasn't stood out to me earlier.
flabort - I'm now unsure, rather than my earlier (and better) read back on D1 given his behavior lately [and the content within]; while it is understandably believable that one forgets or otherwise misplaces information about their OWN ROLE, especially in IMPORTANT situations like 'I revive when dead -- I'm on the lynching block? [I guess I didn't ask that one thing on what happens :x]'...there's a strange lack of quality that's consistent now that he's making a case...to me?
Bias aside, re-reading his chats with doll do give the same feeling that they may both be town [I was more certain about doll, and to reiterate which is why I chose not to target him thanks to that, by believing his earlier notes of 'I'm ded d2']

hector13 - >_> I'm totally lacking time. Gray. What I've read thus far ias pretty okay-ish though. More details to follow if I can.
Jack A T -  Tied with TolyK;
Lenglon-Shakerag - Town. Or SK. Whatever. Both are against mafia. And I'm doing all I can do protect their pink cloaks. :3 ...Because Shakerag is a pink shyguy.
Persus13 - I've not read much on him (Ok I have), and he's in the gray too. There's little standing out about him as I'm recalling only vagueness when I try to recall out of the many people present.
Tea - Town; with Pozzai. But Pozzai somehow never flipped :V But I still believe he's town.
TheBiggerFish - Ugh. Where's the activity. Unsure if scum because it's unhelpful, but the night never speaks as much as the day.
TheDarkStar - Gray; following up.
Tiruin - Hi. Boop me tonight or poison me. :v
TolyK - Curious; hasn't followed up on me lately despite his stance on the latter part of Day 1; tied with Jack in a way. Somehow has something with Shakerag/Lenglon that I may have lost in my page re-reads. If grouped as scum; TolyK/Jack/Shakerag may be a team :V as impossible as it seems.

Not really an individual read going on here.

Spoiler: D4 (click to show/hide)

Because looking back at context between then-Tea and now-Tea, I'm still seeing her in the same <_< She can't be our hidden anti-town dude.

Although I am curious about what happened in the night. Whatever occurred--Jack's plan failed, and TDS seriously has to post because he said he's a watcher-whatever. And Hector never fullclaimed :I

Also to copy from said chat-chat:
 I've done some thinking--let's put (or at least for me) the benefit of the doubt that there is ONE Mafia left. Because, and this is why I believe this, while Webadict sorta-modconfirmed a death, there was something weird with the role and stuff (He flipped Mafia. He flipped blank. He also flipped something explicitly silly and referencing TBF's name or such--somehow I had a random thought that there's stuff to Jack A T because my earliest impression when I got the Foam Finger was "...did someone make a role about pre-game talks?" )

So I'm of the impression that there's still a Mafia alive--there are DEAD shenanigans [seriously those people got modkilled/LYNCHED, what is this unless someone stole FoU's DAY ACTION AND USED IT AT THE START OF DAY 4]
Meaning yeah there is a 4th Mafia alive and I'm moreso acting on information we discussed in TolyK chat :v

I mean, I was with the impression that 'hey all 3 maffy are dead and I'm assuming there's 3 mafia' through the night :V That's retention for ya.

PFP
As of now, Me, Hector(?), TolyK, and Jack are requesting an extension :3 (I was the fiiirst~ )

That confirms the existence of that Mafia dude and TBF being a framed person. That does push the idea that this is pretty much bloody highpowered.

Tiruin: TBF could have been framed, but this doesn't confirm that.  I see nothing in this game that specifically indicates a 3-person scumteam.  Did I miss something?

<.<
>_>
Me assuming that it's a 3 person scumteam ._.

Extend: busy weekend for me too.

My new ammo: T-shirts.  My Ross rifle fires t-shirts now.  They give a block power, because the free t-shirt needs to be worn, apparently.  I guess I have an underbarrel t-shirt cannon attachment now.[...]

Considering thirds cannot be converted, and considering TDS's conversion power, TDS was the cult leader.  Weak cult, weakness mitigated a bit by the any-phase convert.

...You never mentioned getting new ammo, or I misread
But seriously. You are one hilarious rifle. And then Jack was the scums
...But wasn't it obvious that they are the cult leader?

Who starts with an ability that explicitly says 'Town' and 'Convert' in the same sentence that isn't a cult leader @_@

[...]
N3, Persus disabled TDS's autos with a beer can, negating the effects of Tangled Webs.  TDS's claimed action is a clear lie, so we don't know what he did.[...]

...Clear lie? He could've watched L/S, and it's obvious he's not the one who abduct-kills people, so it could be pretty true in that L/S targeted two people with MY powers. :O
It just so happens that he doesn't get a watch ability if he got targeted (so he didn't know that Persus canned him, just that his auto is wiped, probably. Heh, canned.)

[...]
If we take his Heroes claim as true, though, the potential threat of flabort can be disabled without too much difficulty.  Definitely not a top priority threat right now.
[....]

TFW Jack wins the game by throwing empty beer cans at people.

Webadict: Do you send a 'failure' response for a 'partially failed action'?
Because you should've sent me something, Jack, but didn't, and you said you didn't get a failure response?

...Clear lie?

TDS claimed to have used a one-shot alignment inspect that came as part of his role.  He doesn't have a one-shot alignment inspect.  He did not take the action he claimed to take.

Oh. I thought you were talking about his watch targets because whomever he converted is tied to whomever is most webstrandy, and I have posted in our quicktopic that...his timing is the most important bit, before we start taking what he's saying honestly by fact (despite my previous post saying otherwise; this is me rethinking it :O)

TFW Jack wins the game by throwing empty beer cans at people.

I was thinking a vuvuzela, actually.  Less terrible stale beer smell, more endless buzzing from which no human mind can ever recover.

...I thought of food, till I remembered that's the thing that goes BLEEEEEEPFHN.
Also there's seriously no way you and TOlyK can be anti-town else I'd be all EVERYONE IS ANTI TOWN BUT ME right now. :V

Webadict: The Mafiakill is once-per-cycle only right?

Webadict: Do you send a 'failure' response for a 'partially failed action'?
Because you should've sent me something, Jack, but didn't, and you said you didn't get a failure response?

Tiruin: I also got no failure message when Lengrag did not receive their beer can N2.  It seems I don't get a failure response when only part of my action fails.

Point ._. TolyK keeps confirming you so I've to bet that you're both town or I lose my sanity.

Tiruin - I'ma wall. Hi.
TolyK -  I'm TolyK.
Jack A T - I'm Jack.
And we are masonchatbuddies! Also it would be pretty too much to denote that either of them are the Last Mafiaso (TolyK claimed he can invite people as a Day ability. This is true. Lately he got his copycat stuff; N1 used on LengRag, failed. N2 used on Tiruin, got a mixed inspect-abilpower thing. N3 he did whatever on Tea which confirms she hid).

flabort - Probably gonna win when he gets abilities from every living player. He has one from me, and checking his postlog,

hector13 -

Persus13 -

Tea -

SOOOO Unless Persus13 is a liar and dies and abductkilled someone else when he revived; I doubt that his revivification stuffiness is something extra ability-fancy that such would've happened back N1. And rather my speculation on L/S being cult or otherwise--we have no idea, because his watching people can either be breadcrumbing (also timing; he claimed far after others did), or it'll lead to the other cultist which would be strangely against his wincon. It can't be Tea because she said she hid in the past...day. Not 'day"s"'.

:V
So my suspects are on Tea or Hector13. Tea said she didn't act on N1. And Bay12 isn't loading well so I can't link and look further but bluh.
Suspeeeeects. Also at most 2 anti-town left. Unless there's ANY MORE hilarity to this game that webadict devised @_@

Am sick and was gonna come extend.

1) So, flabort's claimed kill on doll N1 pierced hector's claimed protection on doll? flabort, is it your understanding that your kill pierced protection? (Could be results of TolyK's/TBF/4mask's roles I guess, although Persus13claimed an N1 block on TBF?)
2) Tiruin, am not sure what you're remembering and am wondering if you read too far into something non-claim related I was talking about. I have claimed everything about my role and what's happened to me.

It's like, us (Jaques, TolieK, and Tearooine) are working by process of elimination (because it'd be hilarious if any of us are scum given that we literally fullclaimed to each other and planned stuff together >.<), and I'm curious on multiple parts--one is I've snipped out Persus because he died the same day the abductkill was done [and I'm presuming at least 2 anti-town because PROBABLY that abductkill is separate from the mafiakill given the...err, death this day; Night 2, if Hector13 is to be believed, means only HE died but we don't know how he died]
That said a TWICE OVER revive and a kill only on death is a very...strange claim. Like, out of all the folks who did revive--and I assume 2/3rds of them are town lest my sanity go on the verge of paranoia--literally ALL OF YOU have at least 1 claimed revive, with Hecty and Perzeus being proven to have it. You claimed...two.

So (since nobody is even talking about it on quicktopic HMPF YOU GUYS), I'm leaning on Tea after a lot of thought and reading through the three of you through the thread [thanks post tracker]. >.> No offense Tea.

Blrble this connection I can't even--time to try Wifi in the morrow at public places on phone x.x no quotes but here from then on because bad net!

[lots of ideas and a good query on me and TolyK poking Jack as town reads that aren't probably that refined in public]
[lots of nice ideas]

It's more like, I've a full mason-ish log of them two. I see them interacting that claims and confirms things done at night [ie TolyK going "I received this! from you", and Jack is, as he claimed back there {Bad net, can't link due to not loading; searchword: "Rifle"}, a giver of things]
That's what co-confirms me on the both of them UNLESS ONE OF THEM IS A THIRD-PARTEE O_O but that's my humor paranoia'ing me

Otherwise, could I question your vote target? If Persus was who you believe he is...what can you explain the abduct-kill on?

So on D4, you have references to a plan Jack made that failed (?), a paranoid thought that TBF's flip has something to do with Jack (??), as well as various jokes indicating that the idea of him being mafia seems impossible to you + him being 3P is implausible and would make you think literally everyone in the game besides you is non-town. On several occasions you state that you consider him a mason with you/TolyK based on a body of work of QT posts/reactions/night action plans.

I want to know what specifically in the QT is a post that makes you go, there's no way Jack would come up with that as mafia/3P! What specifically did he say that makes you trust him more than just wanting to trust him? If it's literally just night action planning, again, what about that is clearing when the mafia has been able (due to FoU's modes) to mafiakill+take another action every single night? Does Jack have a good reason/mindset expressed for having targeted 4mask as opposed to his other townreads N1?

I want to understand what substance your read of him has beyond it being fun for you to think of the whole groupchat as town. I don't understand why it's like pulling teeth to get any kind of specific answer.

-

TolyK summarized early in the Day phase that he finds Jack's day play neutralish but that stuff in the QT (that he also has not ever really elaborated on) makes him think Jack is likely town. Same questions go to him.

[TolyK]

The main reason I trust him is because his started actions and actual actions coincided, from all the checking everyone has done, and he's been giving out roles to townies and fully cooperating. He also turned down a potentially lucrative arrangement (if he were scum) of scum winning (potentially, with a few converted townies). The only way he might be scum is if he was converted on a really late day.

[Tea]

Jack's been checked out as not performing the mafiakill in addition to his giving out of abilities on either N1 or N3?

Where is flabort D:

[flabort]

Persus has 2 votes, Tiruin has 1.

That's my super fast vote count.

Webadict So... were there no day actions to be processed with the votecount?