Oooooh kay then.
I gained three abilities in the night - since I had no targeted actions, these were all from targeting me.
I hope one of the people who targeted me can tell me who else targeted me. Because one of those people is scum, for sure.
So... I guess we weren't permitted to talk at night, but the GM left the thread unlocked. I'd get into speculation as to why, especially considering the way Wuba phrased "
if you are not allowed to talk at night", but that would probably be an unhelpful conversation. I didn't see what Tiruin or Persus had said, because they had edited away their posts on Wuba's request when I looked - probably just "why is this thread unlocked at night", like I think I did.
To start this day off,
Tiruin.
That said, there's 'emphasis': Please explain how you see emphasis and how that makes someone scummy one way or another.
As for your demands directed specifically in my direction, what I'm trying to make clear is that saying "X subgroup of people is NOT suspicious", especially when that subset is super small, is not conductive to finding who IS suspicious.
...It's both that one is saying this subset isn't suspicious, because it cuts out who they can find is suspicious and directs their efforts towards those who aren't in that subset. This is very reasonable though.
Emphasis: I will refer to the British Dictionary Definitions farther down the page. 1) special importance or significance, 2) an object, idea, etc, that is given special importance or significance, 3) stress made to fall on a particular syllable, word, or phrase in speaking
Clearly my definition is more British than American (as many Canadian things are), since stress on a word, syllable, or phrase is the last thing I think of when I think emphasis, and an idea being given special importance is the first thing. I see something that you've emphasized as something which you keep coming back to, reiterated over, or made into the subject of a great many things. By making an essay about a particular topic, I am emphasizing the importance of that topic to myself. Also, by voting
New Democrat Party and not Wild Rose Party, I emphasize the importance of minimum wages and fair treatment of employees. By talking about reading people as town so much, and by voting, you are are emphasizing the importance of finding town members, and by voting Shakelon for being possibly a SK, you are emphasizing the importance of finding third parties. Neither of these emphasize the finding of scum.
I see you're going with the "process of elimination" defense. Which would work, if you were eliminating suspects more rapidly, and if you could say for sure any of your town reads were 100% accurate. Well, if you had an investigation, you could confirm some of these town reads, but it would still be very slow and not very useful as compared to investigating people who you suspect, or if you were scum you would know with 100% accuracy that your reads of "not mafia" were accurate, because you already know who's mafia. Given that so far you have only cleared 1 person for sure (meaning Doll), where as by lynch and by death 3 townies (including Doll) and 1 scum have already been revealed, I can conclude that you are not eliminating suspects fast enough. As for the second part, saying whether all your reads are accurate, only you know if that's true or not but I can guess it IS.
Yes, you've clearly pointed out that neither Doll nor I are suspicious to you, which is some damn fine town-hunting. Town hunting, also known as buddying, is not useful to the town, we need scum hunting. So, for conciseness, let's go through aaaaallll your posts, and find if there are any places where you do any scum hunting.
And this is the pointyness that is like sandpaper :v
"Buddying"
Jargon that is used in a personal context to mean something, requires its context within the game too, to mean more.
I'm not "BUDDYING" when I'm noting 'this person isn't within my suspicion list because of [these reasons]'; 'these people who aren't within those people are people I can be suspicious of' [followed by reasons].
Buddying is one of the commonly used terms I keep seeing being thrown about that it gives me the idea that it's moreso an emotional thing or a reactive tell. Something to give an impression rather than a context clue. You've WHOLLY missed in your post recap of me (but thanks, now I've a full post to link and quote everytime I would like a recap of my posts), that I have stated my suspicions on the scumteam being...methodical.
Yes, I am making a pointed case to go with my vote. I want to be sure that the person I'm lynching is scum and knows that I believe them to be.
Honestly, since this is mafia and I believe it was said that... wait, I have the quote here.
Everyone here is literally out to get you. You can't fully trust everyone.
There should be nobody that you don't suspect. So please, do not try to pretend to me that you can hunt scum by finding people who are town. I
have played with you before, and I
know you are a better player than this.
As for buddying being an emotional buzz word: You're right, it can be. Buddying is used to refer to when someone puts someone else in a good light in order to make that person less suspicious of you (like you are doing to me and like someone accused me of doing to Persus), trying to make someone purposefully look good so that when you flip scum they look bad, joking around like buddies, or acting unnaturally friendly towards someone. You may be able to ride on your reputation of being the friendliest person on the site to avoid the latter two definitions, but you can't avoid the first. Your town read of me is strained, though it pains me to admit that. When you were saying that I and 4maskwolf can't both be mafia, the compliments you made on the points he made were definitely overdoing it, and the town read you had on doll was tenuous at best, purely based on how doll and I were fighting too much to be mafia.
Someone wiped out the replacement, helping the game, which is good. This is one impression I'm using in that one note of the scumteam; second is that given my LACK of mention towards others' being pointedly making a case, it's to give notice that the scumteam is moreso acting or relying on their abilities rather than a strong day play [riding the waves and all; there are MANY weak targets to go after here, and the lack of mention towards me that way too {like...the whole post I made on scumteam thinking, nothing was done about it. The post about TolyK's case on me being dropped somewhere alongside post-D1, nothing too}, tells me too that there's something moreso going during the night than the day]
OSG was mod-killed because there was no replacement. So nobody wiped out the replacement, because there wasn't one. Nobody except OSG has asked for or been replaced, either. I can't understand your jarberage (jargon-giberish-garbage barage) in the [square and {curly} braces], so
could you please make this clearer. I think what you're saying is that the scum are not capitalizing on anything day-related by making good cases or defending themselves well, and using their night powers more? Well, that sounds like you to me, but that's confimation bias. I guess it could also apply to TBF, TDS, or Persus.
And to note how you've added every single note to all my posts does help too. :3
It's pointedly in your language. How many times have you used the word 'fishing' there?
all point to you being scum (because it is difficult to fake a case and you want people to suspect the people you've been town-reading when you flip).
Why this is sandpaper-y like I mentioned, is because it's either you're going all out on me for trying to make a case as scum, or you're town and making your best point. Either way, in communication on both parties; all these information will be useful later on.
Although...I am concerned.
Why is 'town hunting', called 'buddying'?
Yeah. I would specifically like a response to my comment on your 21st post:
Telling TolyK that his case is too overt?! WTF is this?! You're actively quashing scum hunting now?!
I use buddying 8 times, fishing 3 times, and content (as in low-content) 4 times.
As for why I call "town hunting" "buddying", multiple reasons. First off, it's a bad idea regardless of what I call it.
"scum benefit more from the fact that knowledge of who is generally perceived as town helps them aim their nightkill, and more townies have to be found to figure out the scum [if town hunting is the primary objective]". Basically, until LYLO, town-hunting is detrimental to the town. But you asked why I call it buddying. It's because you are trying to make these people look good, which when your alignment is revealed, will then reflect more strongly on those people. When you say they look town, and flip town, we'd be more likely to trust you, yes, but when you flip mafia we'd likely scrutinize those people looking for any scum tells. And if we lynch one of them because you said they looked town, and they turn out town, well, then your mission in town-reading them is accomplished. Which is exactly the same motivation behind traditional buddying.
And from my horribly organized notes; doll spent their shots at two people. Doll either died because of his abilities or because someone killed them back. THere's some kind of redaction to flips. We've 12 out of 15 alive [since Lenglon + Shakerag = together ♥], and there seemed to be a massblock on N1 but I couldn't go back and recheck (despite trawling through 20 pages since page 51 prior <_<) and note if anything like that was mentioned.
I told you what happened. Doll died because I killed them, and doll's ability was self-redacting, because it's the one that gives them abilities post-mortem, the one I got a version of. It was called Withdrawal, and it turned them into (and will turn me into) a role called Caffeine Withdrawal on death. Obviously with no revive this time. They also probably did not use any abilities whatsoever because they lost complete and total interest in the game, although that is speculation on my behalf.
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