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« Reply #51465 on: August 27, 2023, 05:42:42 pm »

Not to give kids these days any bad ideas, but with modern facial recognition software, it seems that making an exhaggerated facial expression for the records is indeed a way of avoiding detection to some extent.  But also in this modern age, there are likely already 1000s of images of your face, in which case, adding an exhaggerated expression to the repository would only further enhance the ability of your face to be recognized.
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« Reply #51466 on: August 27, 2023, 08:18:00 pm »

I mean, if you’re not white you can fool facial recognition software, or more likely be misidentified.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51467 on: August 29, 2023, 06:05:18 am »

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« Reply #51468 on: August 29, 2023, 08:14:42 am »

... so is there any context to that, or what? Looks like someone got stabilized by oxygen and then refused further care once they were coherent enough to do so, with the first line covering whatever costs were involved with that.

E: Though an idle lookabout suggests it might have been a weewoo wagon call, where they stabilized someone on-site with ox and then were sent off. It's unfortunately common for ambulance calls to get charged like that, even if they don't do super much; the price is for the mobilization more than anything.

From what I've heard of ambulance calls, they're probably lucky there wasn't another 0 in that price :-\
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« Reply #51469 on: August 29, 2023, 10:35:52 am »

It's an unusual accounting summary. I'd have expected something like "Call out (no transport to hospital)", as opposed to "Call out and transportation to hospital" (at a multiple of that cost?), to make more sense. Even if the pricing itself made no sense (from a non-US perspective like mine ...perhaps nuisance-callouts or aggravated/repeat 'customers' might occasionally get fined by the public ambulance service, but "free at the point of delivery" in most respects) other than as "overcharge, to get bartered down by the insurance company that is expected to cover it".

And the order. From the two items, alone, one can't tell if it's supposed to be chronological (or anti-chronological), at least to the order of time-stamping 'items' by initiation or resolution of their happening. One could imagine a call-out (later classified as "No further action") got added upon being asked for assistance, then the oxygen-use one once assistance was actually provided. Or it's keyed to an (unseen) item-code in the back-end accounting software that might be arbitrary or even logically ordered (such as the "call outs of all kinds and outcomes" as 100s, treatments as higher-hundreds).


But it definitely makes this thing look like the medical team buttonholed some random individual, couldn't pursuade them that they wanted to go to hospital (for any good reason) but then somehow sprung an oxygen mask upon them (for no actual good reason) and then charged them for the 'pleasure' of both uncalled-for accostments... ;)

(That's if it isn't just an erroneous invoice for services not even rendered. Either the wrong person or an imaginary incident that never even happened but being bully-boyed into being paid for. I occasionally get texts stating that I need to pay customs charges on things I'm pretty definite that aren't anything other than speculative scams looking for the gullable or random individuals who are expecting something that they ordered via the internet, by chance. Probably not that, but might well be the reason this was labelled as a second notice. If not even worse, like the invoicee hasn't even been in a position to deal with the first such charge notice.)

Doubtless it makes more sense to those that see enough of this sort of thing. As I'm sure most of you Leftpondians here would be, after a while.


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« Reply #51470 on: August 29, 2023, 12:33:25 pm »

In general, and definitely in the USA specifically, humans have a hard time with indirect costs and benefits.

So things like socialized medicine are difficult to grasp. People in the USA do understand that it costs money to provide healthcare. What they don’t understand is that if everyone paid say $5000 a year in medical taxes that could be cheaper than the $6000 a year they pay for health insurance.

They can’t see that there’s a social investment aspect to it - where a healthier population actually costs less.

But there is so much entrenched systematic error in the US health systems it will be tough to change it, especially just on the cost/demand side. The US has a shortage of health care providers and no easy way to increase the supply. Same reason many other programs fail - if the underserved are just given more money to spend, without making sure new supply becomes available, prices will just increase.
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« Reply #51471 on: August 29, 2023, 09:31:21 pm »

In many parts of the US, the Ambulances are run locally, and more importantly billed by the locals.
So we're not talking Paychex levels of billing invoices...

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« Reply #51472 on: August 30, 2023, 02:32:27 am »

It is a growing first world problem. Due to low birth rates, we are starting to see the population aging problem. Not enough young workers to replace the retirees, mostly noticable in essential services like healthcare providers. We will have to adapt to give the same quality of care with less people working there.
Or be more open to immigration, and give those people fleeing from poverty and opression access to and funding for health and care studies, instead of locking them up in asylum seeker centres for years, with them not being allowed to work.

The good thing is, the aging curve will pass and normalize in a generation or three.
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #51473 on: August 30, 2023, 03:53:36 am »

In the UK we have enough young people to work in healthcare, it's just the jobs in healthcare have become economically unviable so even healthcare workers coming from overseas are returning to their home countries because there's just no point. It's one of the things the UK government likes to pretend is due to lack of immigrants or aging population, to cover up the fact that under austerity they cut our front line high skilled jobs and replaced them with a multitude of low-paid, low skilled private jobs. That's why we're seeing highly qualified people work in supermarkets or amazon warehouses instead. It's just a dismal state of underinvestment despite promises that austerity wasn't going to hit key workers, just the "inefficiencies." But the system was already efficient and satisfaction from the public was at a record high. In return the austerity hurt our economic growth because these low paid jobs are not that productive compared to the ones they replaced, and sick people don't work and dead people don't pay taxes -_-

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« Reply #51474 on: August 30, 2023, 04:02:35 am »

It is a growing first world problem. Due to low birth rates, we are starting to see the population aging problem. Not enough young workers to replace the retirees, mostly noticable in essential services like healthcare providers. We will have to adapt to give the same quality of care with less people working there.
Or be more open to immigration, and give those people fleeing from poverty and opression access to and funding for health and care studies, instead of locking them up in asylum seeker centres for years, with them not being allowed to work.

The good thing is, the aging curve will pass and normalize in a generation or three.

The US health care shortage isn't lack of available workers. The organizations that handle some of the key steps have been deliberately throttling the flow of new doctors and nurses to keep salaries high.
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« Reply #51475 on: August 30, 2023, 05:43:09 am »

Well, yeah, underpayment and underappreciation combined with selling out healthcare to the wolves of wallstreet most definitely do not help the matter.
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« Reply #51476 on: August 30, 2023, 06:14:40 pm »

The problem is self-correcting, but inhumane.

Too many old people, not enough young people.
The system will let the poorer old people die.
Then equilibrium will be restored.

Most of the "politics" is trying to hide this, and ease the transition, without getting voted out by that Old Person majority.
...and their older constituents are not getting more rational as their bodies deteriorate due to governmental and systemic neglect.

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« Reply #51477 on: August 30, 2023, 09:18:24 pm »

On the topic of old people, Mitch McConnell glitched out again for a moment.  Is it ageist to say someone is too old for the job once they start doing that?
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« Reply #51478 on: August 30, 2023, 09:28:18 pm »

It’s possibly a consequence of a concussion he had recently. I did watch the footage, it’s… disconcerting on a number of levels. Regardless, if he were to leave, Democrats would have to get rid of Feinstein also.

In saying that, the average age in the Senate is 65, so this may become a feature rather than a bug soon.
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« Reply #51479 on: August 30, 2023, 09:29:27 pm »

How could Hunter Biden's laptop allow this to happen
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