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« Reply #48000 on: March 28, 2022, 05:55:45 pm »

Even if you're actually trying to defend your kid's ears from the scary gays and their eldritch ways, define "Classroom instruction" as "official lesson plans or class curriculum". Bam, now there's no need for teachers to be worried about normal rando kid questions, and people trying to legally enforce their weird hateful bullshit don't have an avenue of abuse.

Personally, I don't want any kind of official sex-ed or.... i dunno, indentity-ed? Included until much, much later. Kids are ridiculously impressionable at that age and I don't really trust a stranger, however well trained as an educator, to have those discussions with my small children. There's too much room for confusion. But if my 6yo old is like yo, why does Katie have two mommies that pick them up after school, I would want ANYONE to just be able to answer "because she has two mommies that take care of her at home".

This law just accomplishes a deliberate climate of fear through legal ambiguity. No excuse for this.

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This statement is entirely useless because it's not happening anyways (and teachers would be fired before it became litigable through this law), but you included it, and the context is fundamentally tied to LGBTQIA existence. One has nothing to do with the other, but now it's in the same conversational sphere.

This. It doesn't serve a purpose in protecting anyone. There wasn't any instruction of that variety going on, so the sole result (and purpose) of a such a law is fear and an avenue of ambiguous punishment.

There was a book banning law also signed in Florida.  It is rather insidious in that it requires all the books to be logged and only allows new books after a lengthy review process (which basically means No New Books). It's not just an LGBTQ+ issue, its straight up freezing time.

The fuck? What happens if you get caught with a banned book in Florida, now?
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Re: AmeriPol thread
« Reply #48001 on: March 28, 2022, 06:06:39 pm »

I would make a joke at prohibiting any mentions of heterosexuality, but then I realized these lawmakers are very likely (I haven’t looked into them yet) also the kind of purists that would happily have more teen pregnancies and unsafe abortions if that meant not having to talk about safe sex during sex ed.

That non-made non-joke aside, it is difficult to react in any other way than a ”what the fuck”.
Actually, no, that is not true. It is difficult to react in any other way as kind to the lawmakers and the GOP at large as a ”what the fuck”.

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« Reply #48002 on: March 28, 2022, 06:17:39 pm »

No, but, avenues of jocularity aside, that's actually the thing. Did they make a law about teaching general sexuality or about sexual orientation. One of them is (hopefully) concerned with not confusing kindergarteners about the facts of life, the other is directly enabling legal consequences under deliberately unclear terms for acknowledging the existence of LGBTQs.

What if my own kid asks me a question and we happen to be on school grounds? Is the CPA coming? Maybe!
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« Reply #48003 on: March 28, 2022, 06:26:23 pm »

There was a book banning law also signed in Florida.  It is rather insidious in that it requires all the books to be logged and only allows new books after a lengthy review process (which basically means No New Books). It's not just an LGBTQ+ issue, its straight up freezing time.

The fuck? What happens if you get caught with a banned book in Florida, now?
Sorry, its just books in the school & school libraries.  Basically more control of the school districts in the same vein as the "No Gays" Law.  It is linked in the article previously linked on the new law.

Also, note the law bans discussion of sexual orientation.  It doesn't directly address sexual acts, just orientation and gender identity.

It arguably also allows firing of teachers who do not conform, as they will undoubtedly draw the questions that are prohibited by law.
Example: A parent hears that the teacher is biologically different than their preferred pronoun.
Said (asshole) parent then tells their 3rd grade child to ask the teacher about it.
Teacher then tries to explain it to the 3rd grader, and is promptly fired by the school district for breaking the law*.  The school is still sued.
...The school then limits some applicants in the future, if they haven't already decided to do so.

*The firing is illegal. The fucking law is illegal.

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« Reply #48004 on: March 28, 2022, 06:26:59 pm »

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« Reply #48005 on: March 28, 2022, 06:29:42 pm »

...unfortunately, both political parties are guilty of advocating for free speech they like but trying to suppress free speech that they do not.
They are both also hurt by the extremist in their party having access to free speech.  The more moderate members quickly find the media grabbing on to their more radical party members.  Publicity = votes, so the more pragmatic politicians go more radical for the free publicity.

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« Reply #48006 on: March 28, 2022, 07:58:14 pm »

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« Reply #48007 on: March 28, 2022, 08:13:27 pm »

Let me guess...

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: I don't like Nazis calling for genocide.
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« Reply #48008 on: March 28, 2022, 08:15:38 pm »

Let me guess...

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: I don't like Nazis calling for genocide.

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: p-please use my she/her pronouns.  I might get m-mad...
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« Reply #48009 on: March 29, 2022, 12:58:48 pm »

... I gotta say, and I'm not trying to be obtuse, I'm pretty sure every school had a librarian that already did that. You can't just walk in and put a book on the library shelf, and now it is a library book. Is there like, an off-site committee that reviews books now according to state regs? Because yeah, that would be shitty.
 
Also, in that scenario, the teacher has an easy option of telling the child that this isn't an appropriate subject that we can bring up in the classroom. While this protects the teacher from retribution, it insinuates to the child that their teachers (and others) existence is dirty, therefore STILL communicating a specific viewpoint on gender identity while inside the classroom. Which is likely the intent to begin with.
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« Reply #48010 on: March 29, 2022, 01:30:17 pm »

If the kids do not gain an understanding from teachers, books, or parents, then they will get it from overhearing their peer group and nothing good will come from that.

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« Reply #48011 on: March 29, 2022, 01:38:56 pm »

Let me guess...

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: I don't like Nazis calling for genocide.

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: p-please use my she/her pronouns.  I might get m-mad...
Are you actually fucking making fun of Biden's stutter? Do you want me to make fun of your autism?
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« Reply #48012 on: March 29, 2022, 02:02:24 pm »

Let me guess...

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: I don't like Nazis calling for genocide.

Republicans: I don't like acknowledging gay and trans people exist.

Democrats: p-please use my she/her pronouns.  I might get m-mad...
Are you actually fucking making fun of Biden's stutter? Do you want me to make fun of your autism?

Nobody mentioned Biden.

If anything I'd doubt Biden actually cares much about pronouns, what with being an 80 year old centrist.
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« Reply #48013 on: March 29, 2022, 02:28:52 pm »

I am sorry if you did not imply Biden's stutter. It really came across as you making fun of someone's disability.
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« Reply #48014 on: March 29, 2022, 04:07:27 pm »

In this case the education has to come from home. In fact if people spent more time with their kids and talked honestly about things shitty laws or classes of this kind would not be needed.
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