Even in congress we do expect them to adapt to new stuff not wait two years for the voters to tell them what to do.
So seeing all this dismissiveness does a fair bit to sadden and disappoint me, as well as infuriate me. When people decide that they can stop listening or taking people with seriousness because oh, their side has the moral superiority, oh, the other side's a bunch of racists, it shuts down any sort of meaningful discussion and turns into simply feeing smugly superior.
Whereas you decide that the other side is being closeminded and so you stop listening to them. Which shuts down any sort of meaningful discussion and turns it into a chance for you to feel smugly superior.
I don't know about you, but I made my post with the intention of
starting discussion, not to end it. I'm here to listen and to respond.
Actual sexism exists, along with actual racism, actual privledge, etc. But whenever it is pointed out the discussion is shut down with bitching about how people are so quick to fly off the handle.
You know what? Sure, at
times, and I'm not just saying this to defuse things. Sometimes people are actually racist. But there is a hell of a lot of pointing the finger at things that aren't real racism or sexism or stuff, and that's the vast majority of what I see on these forums. When people start spewing actual bigotry, they tend to get banned in fairly short order. The sort of thing I see inthread tends to consist more of fingerpointing for disagreeing on any sort of issue hat involves race at all, Brexit being a brilliantly shining example.
So when this wall of condescension rolls in with "yeah poor white straight man riiiight" sort of stuff or the endless shutting down of conversation
Yeah, people are assholes to you. That's humanity. The shit goes in all directions.
I'm not even totally talking about myself here, since I myself don't usually get called racist or anything like that. But while it is humanity, you yourself have pointed out on more than one occasion that just because people are assholes and say asshole things doesn't mean those asshole things have to be put up with. It cuts both ways.
But what about the nice stuff? What about the liberals picking a champion who is trying to help with the opioid epidemic in poor rural areas? What about the liberals chosing that they are going to die on the hill of providing health insurance to poor people? Or how the liberals are sticking by their guns to make sure this insurance reaches poor, rural conservative voters who aint exactly liberal after a conservative congress and conservative state governments teamed up to keep poor people from getting insurance in their states? What about the liberals shoving a ton of money into making sure the poor rural people have access to high speed internet? Or making sure that funding keeps flowing to the national parks and infrastructure spending that is a huge boon to the economies of rural areas?
I don't fault any of this, nor have I ever. I wish we talked more about this stuff, it's the stuff I would love to have a discussion about because I can solidly respect some things and respectfully disagree with others, rather than this sort of discussion which is usually inherently hostile.
You tell me I need to treat someone nice and I'll tell you to fuck off and shove that high horse you rode in on up your ass. But I think it's fair to say that all liberals want the government to respect the needs and even the wishes of all people including the ones I dont like.
And you'll be telling me to fuck off of my high horse at eye level. Because you've taken the exact opposite view of this when conservatives are involved before, talking about how people don't need to accept or put up with the shit they say. You can't just expect it to cut only one way, to want conservatives to be nicer or more civil, and then turn around and throw the same vitriol at them. Or, rather you can, but don't expect it to always be accepted just like that.
And, no, I don't think you can make such a sweeping positive generalization about liberals. There are plenty out there who blindly hate the rich or the "rednecks", much as there are conservatives who hate the everloving hell out of blacks or urban liberals. People put it out on the internet, and I see it.
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