Sorry for taking so long to respond to everyone I was avoiding this and trying to relax on Saturday and this was the first time I could post today.
First off Someone has blocked my vote or I just don't have one, however my role doesn't say I don't have a vote so I think someone blocked it.
Next
FoU
fillipk: are you Jotunn, or are you not Jotunn?
Yes, I was avoiding saying this earlier incase my trigger prevented me asking someone to say Jotun, however I realized I asked FoU to say it so yeah. Basically what happened is that I lost my memory when I crashed to Earth and I am a survivor trying to figure out who I am. I'm pretty sure Jotun is still the trigger but most likely I can't ask for it in the same day
nudge nudge wink wink
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TMS@filipk. I noticed you said that you couldn't target Dustan's since he was dead and had to pick another target. Wtf are u talking about?
WTF are
you talking about. I never said this I said I was redirected and blocked.
Wait.
Didn't Filipk claim a roleblock?
So someone had to have roleblocked him... Since FoU didn't talk about anything happening to him besides the redirect.
Anyone claiming that roleblock?
Yes I did, however I can't roleblock myself. What do you hope to get by asking this question?
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Juicebox@griffinpupfillipk
goddamn do you need to format your posts 
Unvote3. It has context with FoU and Filipk. FoU targeted Filipk, I know that, and Filipk says he targeted Dustan. So what happened was that FoU targeted Dustan, but he was roleblocked by Filipk.
Hilarious however at the same time I claimed to have been roleblocked so I can't have roleblocked FoU. Thank you for revealing as the redirector though.
What makes you think he's a redirector? There are more than just a redirector role that can make you switch targets.
How is it helpful to the town to reveal that he may be a redirector?
Same, Probably TMS's ability, which from what he's saying redirects the target to the person that their target is targeting which means you FoU, have a killing role and tried to kill me. Unless someone else wants to claim to have targeted Dustan with a killing role.
Since this might be a bit confusing I'll try to explain it better.
A is me
B is FoU
C is TMS
D is Dustan
FoU targeted fillipk who targeted Dustan - how do you even know this is the case?
Moonlit targeted FoU which made them target Dustan and fillipk target FoU - you cannot possibly know this, and you cannot possibly deduce it from the available information, or at least the information you've announced publicly.
Now fillipk is targeting FoU who is targeting Dustan
Dustan ended up dead so that means FoU has a killing power and was going to use it on me or someone else targeted Dustan
Note the questions in bold, and the changes in your ridiculously stupid over complicated explanation of what you
think happened last night.
This is all nonsense. Wondering whether or not you over complicated things in a misguided effort to explain, or obfuscate.
Why was it so hard to answer the question just there? You went out of your way to post it, how hard to you need to think up an answer for something that should be quite simple?
My target was Dustan and since he was dead I had to pick someone else. I answered the question in a post along with other quotes from me reviewing day 1 so I could figure out who I trusted the least that was still alive.
What? Where did you answer the question? We wouldn't be having this conversation had you answered the question previously. What?
He's scum. What else do you think he was doing?
I still think its impotent to bring this up so everyone can see the contradiction and react to it, but yeah just some mafia misdirection.
Why do people need you to point things out to them?
Why do they need to react to it at all? Will it help find other scum/scum-allies?
There are 9 of us left. You also seem to be discounting that the mafia and/or mafia-ally/malignant third-party targeted you, meaning you're jumping to conclusions. There could be more PRs, there could be less. Either way, there is not enough information in the game to come to solid conclusion just yet.
How is knowing how many PRs are in the game useful?
Why do you think it's useful to speculate on that rather than put pressure on folk?
Question 1: It was an intro into me putting pressure on you about your claim on not having a power and being the only one to claim that at the moment
Question 2: Speculation into pressure so people could see my thought process and point out where it might be flawed, thank you for doing that.
Why do you need an intro to pressure anyone? Why is my claim so interesting to you?
Speculation doesn't turn into pressure, because it's speculation. It may turn into an addendum to pressure ("so-and-so thought this a few days back, it makes sense now") further down the line, but we're in D2, and you seem much more interested in PRs than scum. Why?
All these quotes feel very active lurky to me.
Okay, I still think you are lying or at least telling a half truth, would you mind sharing some role flavor or something like that to convince me that you aren't trying to hide a detrimental power from the town.
How so?
What makes you think I am lying or telling a half-truth? What would it mean if I was lying or telling a half-truth?
Your play on D2 has been all about finding the PRs. There's very likely at least one more scum out there, and maybe one or two scum-allies. We don't need to figure out PRs now, maybe not even tomorrow.
The quotes I was referring to are the ones below the horizontal rule, though the third one is missing due to my formatting.
Basically, in order: "I'll answer the question later" "Let's bring up something really obvious about scum maybe trying to mislead town" "Let's speculate about the role distribution" <- the missing quote and "I don't believe you hector."
ICE
So you're Jo'freezy again?
i don't know can you be more specific?
And this one too. He's quite obviously referring to your role in the previous game, the one with the Clone Lord. The game you have also referenced before.
More in a bit, don't want to lose all the work I put into reformatting that...
This post from hector explains most of my points about fillipk nicely. While fillipk didn't claim FoU as vig, he also did not consider that as a possibilty either.
As for what I mean by Moonlit Shadows' information being good is that most of it has been corroborated by others. Since this is a PFP and my power is our any other links you want will have to wait until later
Juicebox this is blatant bandwagoning and just plain laziness. I'm going to put a vote on you till you elaborate on why your voting me, even though my vote probably means nothing. I really want to ask you to do something Hector hasn't already asked you to do so respond to this post right now in your own words.
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HectorYou did have the quotes you were responding to, as well as everything else in those quotes that had been quoted prior to you quoting it. I'm not making a big deal out of it, I was commenting on the god-awful formatting you did
I will, however, make a big deal out of you thinking that was worth commenting on. Considering one of the things I'm pressuring you over is active lurking, I was hoping you would take it to heart and post content instead of nonsense.
I await - with bated breath - your response to my questions and accusations. I will remind you if you forget.
I understand your issue on my formatting now and I will think about it when responding also sorry for making a big deal out of it I saw the wrong face emote at the time. However as I stated I the post you are responding to I was bringing up an issue I saw with the vote count while posting from my phone so I wasn't going to make a big post like this as it would be badly formatted. However it would be easy to address that in the vote post so why not.
And this one too. He's quite obviously referring to your role in the previous game, the one with the Clone Lord. The game you have also referenced before
Obviously
Your play on D2 has been all about finding the PRs. There's very likely at least one more scum out there, and maybe one or two scum-allies. We don't need to figure out PRs now, maybe not even tomorrow.
Normally I would agree with you however I didn't start trying to reveal who had what power besides what powers I had until moonlight accused Tiruin of using purple magic, FoU corroborated this claim and I used that and my own role flavor to make a case that FoU tried to kill me insinuating that we shouldn't be congratulating him as there was no mafia kill and he didn't target mafia. I haven't revealed anyone else's role or even tried to figure that out, just speculating, TMS is the one that has been asking people to claim.
What makes you think I am lying or telling a half-truth? What would it mean if I was lying or telling a half-truth?
It would mean you have a power. I think your lying based on the amount of powers that have been claimed to exist or can be figured out to exist. I'm not going to list them but there are at least 7-9 that were used last night.(I can list them all if you want and explain why I think they exist)
Why do you need an intro to pressure anyone? Why is my claim so interesting to you?
Speculation doesn't turn into pressure, because it's speculation. It may turn into an addendum to pressure ("so-and-so thought this a few days back, it makes sense now") further down the line, but we're in D2, and you seem much more interested in PRs than scum. Why?
The intro to pressure is to avoid inflating the post count when the person I'm pressuring decides to ask why I am pressuring them with that specifically. While its not always useful I figured that me saying I don't believe you are a vanilla townie would insinuate I had some sort of investigative roles and I wanted to avoid that. I have a hard time figuring out people's motives, yeah I know what scummy behavior looks like and yeah I'll question people who act like scum however most of the people in this game are too good to have scummy behavior. So I'm looking into power roles this game as a way to find scum since it seems easier, however I'm not revealing who has what without reason. The reason I talked about FoU's powers and Tiruins is because I was pointing out FoU used a kill at me on night one and hit scum as a happy accident. He turned out to act like a vig later and I don't blame him for shooting me.
What makes you think he's a redirector? There are more than just a redirector role that can make you switch targets.
How is it helpful to the town to reveal that he may be a redirector?
The flavor text said I was redirected and I wasn't familiar with the bus driver role. The name of the role doesn't matter as much as what the power does, which I explained. It was helpful to the town because it brought up the fact that FoU might be scum which got us to discuss that and figure out that maybe he's not scum and actually a vig who shot on night one.
how do you even know this is the case?
you cannot possibly know this, and you cannot possibly deduce it from the available information, or at least the information you've announced publicly.
My role flavor said I was redirected with purple magic to target FoU, FoU claimed to have been redirected with Purple magic. Also this quote
3. It has context with FoU and Filipk. FoU targeted Filipk, I know that, and Filipk says he targeted Dustan. So what happened was that FoU targeted Dustan, but he was roleblocked by Filipk. - not ture
I extrapolated from this info on the nature of the power and used it to attack FoU for trying to kill me when there appeared to not be a mafia kill
unless mafia hit mafia.
What? Where did you answer the question? We wouldn't be having this conversation had you answered the question previously. What?
If I had to pick one person it would be TDS but I'm not 100% certain which post specifically makes me think that which is why I'm not voting him yet. I'll nail down that vote when I'm more sure.
It was the sentence at the end of a post I don't blame you for missing it. My answer was originally Dustan but he died. I delayed to figure out a new answer.
Why do people need you to point things out to them?
Why do they need to react to it at all? Will it help find other scum/scum-allies?
I don't know you need me to point out a lot of things I say in my posts so maybe other people need me to bring up an obvious contradiction. In hindsight though it is a stupid useless thing to bring up
How is knowing how many PRs are in the game useful?
So we can figure out when people who claim to not have power roles are lying.
Because he was trying to kill ME not Dustan. He got Dustan by happy accident and he didn't claim vig right after Dustan died. Don't give FoU more credit then he deserves.
Right now it looks like Fallacy tried to kill me and got redirected into Dustan. I should mention there [was no mafia kill unless mafia targeted the other mafia. Also I'm 99% sure that FoU knows exactly what I'm talking about in regards to the ice powers and is playing coy with me. I'm opening the question up to anyone.
Perhaps you would like to reconcile these two statements?
If the second one is true, FoU is not scum. Why are you voting non-scum?
I see no need to reconcile these statements or answer the second question. Why do you need me to point out the 6 words after the part you bolded which if you had seen would have made both questions useless.
I'm also curious why you think FoU is the one being coy, when you're the one who has been playing dumb and asking him wtf he's talking about re: Jotunn. It looks like you're trying to invent stuff to use against FoU now, instead of using what you have available.
Near the top of this post
That should be everything. My main suspicions right now are
Hector for his vanilla townie claim and
Juicebox for his bandwagoning. Yes they are both voting me, I do not care about that fact, I do not even care if you chose to lynch me all I care is that these two respond to this post.
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