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[hector13]

I asked why he thought it was ridiculous. Or at least, I meant to.

I think it's because of what you said. And since why I thought it was weird was based off a game a long time ago.

I'm not sure what you mean with the second paragraph. It sounds like you're using information from another game to scumread Fallacy in this one..?

[FallacyofUrist]

I think you're being evasive, Moonlit. Please answer the question.

Also, I think voting me for announcing my pressure votes is ridiculous because: I've done that in several of my previous games. And announced pressure votes are still effective because I "upgrade" them to real votes at some point if I grow more suspicious of whoever I'm voting for.

And another thing.
Your role claim makes me want to cry.

I am Undercover (role name).
My flavor says stuff about getting into the car and having a bad feeling. I am the Investigative role. My night action, Monitor, lets me see what my target did if they are the Evil role and did something. Night 0 I used it on Starver. Last Night I used it on Fallacy. Got nothing both times. I think I trust TBF because of slight role claim (though he does that every time, wonder what your power is?).

First of all. Why would you claim your flavor? What do you(and the town) gain from that?
Second of all. This would be a wonderful fake claim for an Evil role. It doesn't trigger unless you use it on the Evil role, right? If you use it on a town player, you get nothing. Basically, this means that you can't prove your role claim by saying what a town player did. And because of your claim, that's "excused".

[FallacyofUrist]

On another note, based on the current number of pages...
This thing is going to go for 21 rounds. At an approximate rate of 10 pages per round, we'll have over 200 pages when we're done with this thing.
[Insert gasp of surprise or a few minor swear words here].

[TheBiggerFish]

It did strike me as rather odd, that claim...

TMS.

[FallacyofUrist]

I am Undercover (role name).
My flavor says stuff about getting into the car and having a bad feeling. I am the Investigative role. My night action, Monitor, lets me see what my target did if they are the Evil role and did something. Night 0 I used it on Starver. Last Night I used it on Fallacy. Got nothing both times. I think I trust TBF because of slight role claim (though he does that every time, wonder what your power is?).

YOU LIAR. This vote's for emphasis, The Moonlit Shadow.

Allow me to show a highlight.

My night action, Monitor, lets me see what my target did if they are the Evil role and did something.

And again, for emphasis:

My night action, Monitor, lets me see what my target did if they are the Evil role and did something.

Now, compare to the claim you just made:

If I use it on town, then if Evil uses their action on them then I also know who the Evil role is.

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So why the difference?

[Tomasque]

Just a note from the mod: In this case, claiming flavor (real or faked) was not gamebreaking. However, remember that some rounds were situations where this could've happened, such as Round 3 (The one with the Phantom and the <name> One(s)).

[FallacyofUrist]

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Where is the difference, you ask?

My night action, Monitor, lets me see what my target did if they are the Evil role and did something.

If I use it on town, then if Evil uses their action on them then I also know who the Evil role is.

Is it not obvious?
And even if your action is both of these together, why did you not claim the second part in the first place?

[hector13]

Can we get a vote count up in da house, Tomasque?

[Tomasque]

Votecount
hector13 (1) - The Moonlit Shadow
FallacyofUrist (1) - hector13
TheBiggerFish (0)
Starver (0)
The Moonlit Shadow (1) - FallacyofUrist
Wow. FallacyofUrist is now in my iPad autocorrect. Can you believe it?

[Starver]

This is silly.  My personal assessment is still that, generally, it's too close to call and that I have nothing good to vote with.

(Nobody even bothered to ask, but I'll say anyway: For Day 1 I could have voted an OMGUS for Hector, for a second vote-swap.  Pointless to turn a three-way tie into a four-way tie, though it would be.  Or else I could have voted for either Fallacy or Moonlit, breaking that vote-swap tie.  But I assessed them both the same.  Assessment: It'd have been little more than an indiscriminate kill, to have broken that tie when it was too close to call.)

I was only going to vote when I was more sure I knew who is sending us on this doomed journey.  Originally I was erring between Fallacy and Moonlit (in the absence of Fish), but Fish now complicates that and Moonlit seems to have the only unopposed claim.  Hector is too neutral (more boring-neutral than inconspicuous-neutral, if you'll excuse me for saying so).  For my part, I know I've been quiet, but mostly that's been because I've been pondering more than I've been spouting.

Although I still don't want to aid the lynch of the wrong person, by my reckoning it's not so bad to do right now as if I'd lynched a person on Day 1.  Something tells me that Hector's the best person to save, and while I remain dubious about Fish and still can't separate Moonlit and Fallacy on any other measure of doubt, the person threatening Hector is Fallacy, and my vote there will at least to stop Fallacy from snipe-switching back to Moonlit at the very last moment to further who-knows-what personal interests.  My voting for Fish, instead, would mean nothing, so I'm forced to either break the tie or else effectively do nothing at all.)

For those that care, my current summary of thoughts is:
Hector: unknown, but with above-par vive
Fallacy: provisionally cleared by provisionally-Investigative Moonlit, but with doubts expressed about the skill
Fish: several doubts, but as inactive in votes as I previously was, so I'm not sure what other factors might be in play there...
Me: being not a very frequent a contributor, I know, but ever-thoughtful, rest-assured.  Not that anybody cares.
Moonlit: Nobody has counter-claimed the role.  A mis-vote for Moonlit could (when we know the proper role conditions) end up flipping a confirmation of my and Fallacy's innocence, but - even then - we'd have to decide between Hector and Fish and I still think Fallacy's on the wrong track so I don't want to have that problem.

So, a vote for Fallacy is the best of all actions, as far as I can see.  Better than staying quiet and stewing about when the final day reveals something I could have perhaps stopped.

[FallacyofUrist]

Ho boy. If I'm right, the day ends in around 3 hours.

The Moonlit Shadow, I'm still convinced you're scum.

Yeah, it's both. I forgot about it the first time.

Really.
Reallllly.
Realllllllllllllllly.
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Basically, we only have your word for it. And you're rather suspicious.
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[FallacyofUrist]

Also, oh the joys of invisible text. I have something which I'd like to make known if I'm about to be lynched, but not before.
But I won't be on bay 12 when I'm about to be lynched.
So I'm going to put some invisible text in this post.
If it's less than an hour before the day ends and the majority of the votes are on me, quote this text and remove the transparent text tags. Otherwise, don't.
Really. Don't. Transparent text below.
I am the Driver, a Town Weakness role. If I die, the car crashes and all other players die also.
Really. Don't use the quote function on this post unless it's less than an hour before the day ends and the majority of the votes are still on me. Please.

[hector13]

That is the most ridiculous claim ever Fallacy.

[FallacyofUrist]

... I'm pretty sure I told you not to look/quote it.
Didn't I?

Really. Don't use the quote function on this post unless it's less than an hour before the day ends and the majority of the votes are still on me. Please.

Yeah. I did.
hector13, you have irritated me.

[hector13]

Aye, I'm going to ignore information 2.5 hours before day end because you asked nicely