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[King Zultan]

Modern English is strange.

[Maximum Spin]

Modern English is strange.

I always loved "I Melt with You".

[Eric Blank]

I'm angry my trailer is full of mice! They're in the walls, in the ceiling, crawling across the curtain rod literally right behind my head. Squeaking all fucking day and night. I've only managed to kill two so far myself, my cat has caught two from the sound of things. But there's more, so many more. They're squeaking in the ceiling right now.

I've got all the cupboards I could open open. Tomorrow I'm throwing everything removeable outside and locking the cat in. We're gonna kill them all.

[Frumple]

is that you lovecraft

micewalls is what you get for all the racism, you old turd :V

[MaxTheFox]

Well not today, but I remembered I once got asked a question about my book (which has LGBT characters): "How come they haven't cured homosexuality in the future?"

I blocked that person and outed them on the Discord server we met in, resulting in their ban, and I never saw them again after this, but I still think about it. People are idiots.

[McTraveller]

That’s an extreme response. Why not ask what they mean by that? Understand their viewpoint? Treat them like a human, flawed as they may be, just as you want to be treated as a human.

All banning them does is isolate them, encourage them to avoid interacting with others and so have a limited and isolated worldview.  Sure you don’t have to let them abuse you, but defeat their ignorance with kindness, not force.

[jipehog]

I've got all the cupboards I could open open. Tomorrow I'm throwing everything removeable outside and locking the cat in. We're gonna kill them all.

Doesn't seem like the cat did you any good so far. Just buy/build a rat trap, there are plenty of basic traps designs on youtube involving mainly a regular bucket.

[jipehog]

Sure you don’t have to let them abuse you, but defeat their ignorance with kindness, not force.

Lets make things interesting. Why do assume such sentiment comes from ignorance or abuse?

[MaxTheFox]

That’s an extreme response. Why not ask what they mean by that? Understand their viewpoint? Treat them like a human, flawed as they may be, just as you want to be treated as a human.

All banning them does is isolate them, encourage them to avoid interacting with others and so have a limited and isolated worldview.  Sure you don’t have to let them abuse you, but defeat their ignorance with kindness, not force.

I have no interest in humoring them. I already understand their viewpoint-- that they see people like me as mentally ill-- why should I roll over and legitimize their viewpoint by engaging with them? I don't really seek them to get better per se. I just want to never interact with them again. What possible value would I get, either as an author or as a person, from continuing to listen to their blathering?

[jipehog]

Lets choose different example to avoid any knee jerks.  Deaf people have long fought against discrimination to have equal rights and access (something they lack in many countries). The Deaf culture doesn't believe in using the word 'disabled' because that word implies 'less than', in fact many deaf people consider themselves to be unique who distinguish themselves as a culture who see deaf as the new normal. That is a great victory for deaf people. However, it now pose an ethical question, what happens when deaf parents want a deaf child and ask to use vitro fertilization and embryo selection to guarantee it?

[MaxTheFox]

Yep. Deaf people hurt nobody and it should be their choice for if to be cured or not.

[Rolan7]

That’s an extreme response. Why not ask what they mean by that? Understand their viewpoint? Treat them like a human, flawed as they may be, just as you want to be treated as a human.

All banning them does is isolate them, encourage them to avoid interacting with others and so have a limited and isolated worldview.  Sure you don’t have to let them abuse you, but defeat their ignorance with kindness, not force.

Yeah.  "In your ideal future, why do people like you still exist?" IS an extreme response.
Thankfully we understand it perfectly and can block, report and move on.

Like, let's not minimize what you're suggesting here.  This person not only thinks LGBT people ideally shouldn't exist.  They take for granted, as obvious, that WE don't want US to exist either.  And you think we should treat this person like a human?

Okay yeah, I'm going to treat this person like an adult and not coddle them like an infant.  That would be disrespectful of me.  I'm going to value my own mental health at least as much as theirs, because we're both humans.  I'm not going to pretend that they didn't just imply that I shouldn't exist.  I'm going to do what humans do when other humans insult them: I'm going to be insulted.

If they need to LEARN that I'm a fucking human being, they're in luck!  I support queer representation in media, which normalizes our existence and fights against the stigma that was implanted in SO many people (us included) growing up.  That's going to do more than me holding a bigots hand, treating their position as if it has ANY value whatsoever, and gradually convincing them that I have an inner world.

I TRIED that, with someone I considered a close friend.  Maybe it's possible.  I know it hurts, a lot, and I didn't have the self-confidence to pull it off.  I learned more self-loathing from him than he learned tolerance from me.  If I had spent that time seeking to understand myself rather than trying to manipulate a bigot into being a good person, he and I would BOTH be better off.  I did him no favors by being his token gay friend, and humoring his shittiness.  I only emboldened him.

Again, the better strategy is to live well (and as openly as you can safely do so)... and to respond to open bigotry with social consequences.  That's how society works, and it's the respectful response.  Bigots ARE humans, not infants or robots, and they're responsible for their actions.  Bigotry thrives when it's humored, and shrivels when people express disgust at it.

Edit: Because to be clear: self-harm is a problem in the LGBT community.  Because we've been taught to hate ourselves or *at best* to wish we were "normal".  That's highly internalized, particularly the older the person is.  That's not an impulse we can AFFORD to humor.  It NEEDS a stern rejection, both internally or externally.  (it's an incorrect impulse, implanted by intentional media campaigns AND BIGOTS MAKING JOKES, and it's very deeply installed.)

[Strongpoint]

That’s an extreme response. Why not ask what they mean by that? Understand their viewpoint? Treat them like a human, flawed as they may be, just as you want to be treated as a human.

It is a perfectly normal response.

No one has a duty to educate someone, especially when it is emotionally unpleasant AND chances of success are slim at best.

If someone is ready to do this, to spend their free time, to sow seeds that may never grow, they are doing something beneficial for society and should be praised but such actions should not be demanded.

[McTraveller]

How do you know that person you banned has never been exposed to another viewpoint? You could have been the one to tell them that you don’t think it’s something to be “cured.” I mean this is based on the above that looked like there was just the one comment not a history of entrenched view.

If it was a comment in a pattern of comments sure don’t cast your pearls before swine. But if not… it’s better to give people benefit of the doubt.

I guess also you don’t have an obligation to do that… but technically nobody has an obligation to anything so I don’t know what that buys you.

(EDIT: Fixed spelling)

[ChairmanPoo]

I guess also you don’t have an obligation to do that… but technically nobody has an ovligation to anything so I don’t know what that buys you

I'm guessing you're trolling, but in case you are not, surely you realize the kind of absurd slippery slope fallacy you just engaged in right?