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[Loud Whispers]

Then why should we mourn at all? The "former" Notre Dame was never an independent entity to even be destroyed, it was merely a part of the transition to the Notre Dame of today.

Statements like this are why I lost hope for the future. For starters it is unknown how much damage has been incurred and to how many pieces or parts of the Church have been damaged or lost - the impression is that it has not been totally catastrophic, but I can immediately tell you now if I walked up to the 800 year old stained glass windows and kicked a boot through it I'd not have a leg to stand on in court by telling them I was just helping the windows transition into modernity like an ISIS interior designer.

She didn't pass into death, but rather added this moment to her history.

Brb, just going to go commit suicide and add that transition to my history

[Kagus]

So, you're mourning the original pieces of the structure that may or may not have been the first pieces to serve those roles, but are the originals because they were damaged by this fire and will need to be replaced. Gotcha.

I can immediately tell you now if I walked up to the 800 year old stained glass windows and kicked a boot through it I'd not have a leg to stand on in court by telling them I was just helping the windows transition into modernity like an ISIS interior designer.

Of course you wouldn't; it'd be stuck in the window.

[Loud Whispers]

So, you're mourning the original pieces of the structure that may or may not have been the first pieces to serve those roles, but are the originals because they were damaged by this fire and will need to be replaced. Gotcha.

I don't mourn it, I mourn myself, because I am dead

Of course you wouldn't; it'd be stuck in the window.

At last you see!

[Kagus]

Of course you wouldn't; it'd be stuck in the window.

At last you see!

How Can Stained Glass Windows Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?

[smjjames]

Then why should we mourn at all? The "former" Notre Dame was never an independent entity to even be destroyed, it was merely a part of the transition to the Notre Dame of today.

Statements like this are why I lost hope for the future. For starters it is unknown how much damage has been incurred and to how many pieces or parts of the Church have been damaged or lost - the impression is that it has not been totally catastrophic, but I can immediately tell you now if I walked up to the 800 year old stained glass windows and kicked a boot through it I'd not have a leg to stand on in court by telling them I was just helping the windows transition into modernity like an ISIS interior designer.

Of course not, it's a philosophical argument, not a legal one.

[Loud Whispers]

How Can Stained Glass Windows Be Real If Our Eyes Aren't Real?

Kos, or some say Kosm Smith

Of course not, it's a philosophical argument, not a legal one.

Of course not, all legal arguments are ontological arguments.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Ontological ontosmogical, when are we going to admit the harsh reality that somewhere in Paris there is a construction worker who has been possessed by the infernal spirit of Robespierre, called forth from the void by this sacrifice?

[Il Palazzo]

He is to do battle with the spirit of Ras-Putin, who has been long awaiting this very moment.

[Iduno]

Ontological ontosmogical, when are we going to admit the harsh reality that somewhere in Paris there is a construction worker who has been possessed by the infernal spirit of Robespierre, called forth from the void by this sacrifice?

That all it takes for heroes?

[smjjames]

So, apparently Macron wants to try and get it rebuilt in five years, but everything I've heard and read indicates that it's going to be a long delicate proccess that is going to take 10 years to complete because there is a lot of careful work that you have to do.

The roof is likely going to be prioritized for obvious reasons and I could see that getting set up quickly, but even if you poured a HUGE amount of resources into it, it still doesn't change the fact that it's not something that can be slapped together in the same way you can build a skyscraper in five years. I checked and the next French Presidential elections are three years away, so, there may not be political motivation in the sense of upcoming elections, but still.

Speaking of the earlier Ship of Theseus discussion, it's definetly manifesting in a real way here because one of the major questions going to be asked is whether or not to go with the 19th century restoration or the earlier one which that restoration replaced. I know it's not strictly the same as the philosophical concept, but the thought of 'what's original?' is in line with it.

Edit: Or design a completely new one for the modern era, why not. Im sure it’s going to be a much debated topic in France.

[Strongpoint]

Meanwhile in Ukraine... Pro-Russian candidate has won presidential elections. Isn't it hilarious? EU should start preparing for a country exploding at its border.

[smjjames]

Russian? All I’ve heard is that he speaks Russian natively, which in the Ukraine is probably the same as someone speaking Spanish here in the US. Minus the immigration association perhaps and the fact that Ukranian and Russian are more closely related than Spanish and English are.

[Il Palazzo]

Stop me if you've heard this one before: a TV star with no concrete political platform or experience, who has a history of expressing affection for the Russian side of things, is elected on a wave of dissatisfaction with the status-quo.

[Culise]

So, I take it the referendums to join the EU and NATO he offered are a lie?  My apologies, but this is not intended to be fatuitous; I haven't followed the Ukrainian election.

[smjjames]

I barely even know much of anything about Ukraines election myself other than that a comedian/actor is more or less pulling a Trump, they once had a debate at a stadium which they took a drug test beforehand for (what even was up with that? Did it have something to do with the location being a stadium), and Poroshenko debated once at an empty podium. Let alone what was promised or whatever.

An article I read though suggested that he'd still be about as West-friendly as Poroshenko and things wouldn't actually change relations wise towards Russia.

I wonder if Trump would have any political tips for him, heh. Sounds like Trump had way more experience with politics to begin with than Zelenskiy is starting with.