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[Sheb]

Breivik didn't go into a school and start shooting children at random, he was targeting the youth leagues of the centre-left party (so, teenagers and young adults, less than half of the Utoya victims were minors, most of them 16 or 17). His target was the future leadership of the party.

So yeah, I do see a parallel between a far-right asshole shooting the future leadership of a center-left party he sees as pro-immigration and a far-right asshole shooting a pro-refugees MP of a center-left party. Although to be fair, that only assuming he went after Jo Cox for her immigration positions, which is a bit early to tell.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

A less effective Breivik one might say.

No.

Can't compare a lone extremist killing a politician with a nazi monster who killed dozens of children and wrote a whole manifesto announcing and defending it.

Teenagers involved in politics are not children.

[Antioch]

A less effective Breivik one might say.

No.

Can't compare a lone extremist killing a politician with a nazi monster who killed dozens of children and wrote a whole manifesto announcing and defending it.

Teenagers involved in politics are not children.

In fact they are.

[Helgoland]

Depends on how you define 'children'. A simple age cutoff is a bit too unsophisticated, methinks.

[Sonlirain]

I'm quite sure the cutoff for children is at 18 years after that they become young adults.
You could go by the age of puberty but if you go with that then... well would you say a 14 year old is not a child?

Still point was that Breivik specifically targeted UNDERAGE people and that's fucking reprehensible no matter if they had 8 12 or 16 yers under their belt.

[hector13]

Would you all be applauding him if the camp was for adults? I don't think it matters whether or not they were children, teenagers, young adults or whatever.

[Sonlirain]

We'd cheer for him as much as we cheered for Omar Mateen. (Not at all.)

[hector13]

Sorry, I was just a bit frustrated y'all were arguing what constitutes a child when he killed 77 people. He's an evil bastard for that, never mind if any of them were children.

[Sonlirain]

Well even muslims consider killing children as more of a sin than killing adults.
There's this "protect the children" instinct in all of us. so killing 10 adults is bad but killing 10 children is even worse in the eyes of most of us.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

Well even muslims consider killing children as more of a sin than killing adults.
There's this "protect the children" instinct in all of us. so killing 10 adults is bad but killing 10 children is even worse in the eyes of most of us.

What about killing armed hitlerjugends in WW2? Was it worse than killing adult German soldiers?

They are politicians and this make them a legitimate target for political terrorism.

Before you ask: No, I don't think that Breivik had any reason to do that. Norway is a democratic country and requires no terrorism for political struggle. Oh, and one who dragged children in politics (a very nasty place to be) share the guilt of their death.

[Sonlirain]

There is a rather large difference between shooting armed children who WILL shoot you and shooting underage political activists.
When you arm kids and force/brainwash them into becoming child soldiers you EXPECT them getting shot and killed AND force your opponent into child killing (because what other choice do they have exactly?).

How does that even marginally compare?

You could say those kids were "political soldiers" but you don't bring a warhammer into o fencing tournament and no one forces you to bash in the skull of your competitor.

[Sheb]

Ok, anyway, everyone agree that he was an asshole, a semantic discussion on what is a kid wont help.

[martinuzz]

Doctors Without Borders decided today that they will no longer accept funding from the EU, or from any member state of the EU. Starting immediatly, they will boycot all EU funds.
According to their secretary-general Jêrome Oberreit, the reason for this is, that they think the EU refugee policy is failing.
"This is about being ashamed for refugees in Europe. The EU policy's most important component is keeping refugees out", he said.

The direct cause for the decision was the fact that the EU is preparing to make similar deals with other countries in the Middle East and Africa, like the one they made with Turkey, which was strongly opposed by DWB.
According to DWB, the financial aid paid to Turkey as agreed in the deal, is only a reward for improved border control and stopping refugees.
"Nothing about the refugee agreement is even only slightly humanitarian, this has to be contested.", Oberreit says.
"We cannot both take money from the EU, and aid victims of their refugee policy at the same time".

DWB argues that the refugee deal sets a dangerous precedent. Last week, the European Commission announced that they are preparing to make deals with 16 more countries in Africa and the Middle East, to both stop and take back refugees, in exchange for developmental aid.
Amongst those 16 countries are Sudan, Eritreia, Somalia and Afghanistan.
These 4 countries are the top 4 of refugee generating countries in the world.

"Is the only thing Europe has to offer to refugees, to stay in the countries they are desperatly trying to escape?" Oberreit asks.

It is estimated that the refusal of EU and EU member state funding will costs DWB 50 million Euro per year.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/artsen-zonder-grenzen-weigert-vanaf-nu-eu-geld-vluchtelingenbeleid-faalt~a4322272/



Personally, I think this is dumb. Doctors need to care about their patients, not about politics. 50 million euros equals a lot of dead people that did not get their aid. Plus, the refugee crisis is a global problem. I wonder if they stop accepting funding from Australia, Canada, Russia, most of Asia, most rich Arab countries, basically all countries that don't welcome refugees at all, too. Bit hypocritical to specifically scapegoat EU funds there.

[scrdest]

Personally, I think this is dumb. Doctors need to care about their patients, not about politics. Plus, the refugee crisis is a global problem. I wonder if they stop accepting funding from Australia, Canada, Russia, most of Asia, most rich Arab countries, basically all countries that don't welcome refugees at all, too. Bit hypocritical to specifically scapegoat EU funds there.

That was literally my thoughts as I was reading before I noticed this bit. Might just be poorly considered grandstanding, but it seems like something iffy is going on behind the scenes.

[Antioch]

Personally, I think this is dumb. Doctors need to care about their patients, not about politics. Plus, the refugee crisis is a global problem. I wonder if they stop accepting funding from Australia, Canada, Russia, most of Asia, most rich Arab countries, basically all countries that don't welcome refugees at all, too. Bit hypocritical to specifically scapegoat EU funds there.

That was literally my thoughts as I was reading before I noticed this bit. Might just be poorly considered grandstanding, but it seems like something iffy is going on behind the scenes.

This, also I find the solution of the European Commission a lot better than letting thousands drown on the Mediterranean Sea every year, which is literally the situation we have now and will continue too have if we allow refugees to enter by boat.