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[hector13]

Personally, I think this is dumb. Doctors need to care about their patients, not about politics. Plus, the refugee crisis is a global problem. I wonder if they stop accepting funding from Australia, Canada, Russia, most of Asia, most rich Arab countries, basically all countries that don't welcome refugees at all, too. Bit hypocritical to specifically scapegoat EU funds there.

That was literally my thoughts as I was reading before I noticed this bit. Might just be poorly considered grandstanding, but it seems like something iffy is going on behind the scenes.

This, also I find the solution of the European Commission a lot better than letting thousands drown on the Mediterranean Sea every year, which is literally the situation we have now and will continue too have if we allow refugees to enter by boat.

Obviously the laws that are enacted in Europe are going to stop the refugees trying to do that.

[Sonlirain]

Well if DWB is not interested in eurofunds and would rather put europeans in an emotional chokeholdhold then they obviously don't need the money.

[Loud Whispers]

Obviously the laws that are enacted in Europe are going to stop the refugees trying to do that.

What laws? Doors only open in Europe, don't be racist

Also lol:

Immigration, immigration, immigration. That's what it's really all about. That's what will decide the EU referendum next week. It would be easier if it was the economy, stupid. We could talk about GP and impersonal financial forecasts but it's that political hot potato we need to grapple with. Is it ever possible to discuss immigration without being accused or caism? Or perhaps more accurately, is it ever possible to raise concerns about or call for less immigration and not be labelled a racist?

There are startling elisions on both sides of the debate. Migration from within the EU, from predominantly Eastern European countries, is overwhelmingly, if not completely, white. Yet the most fervent voices against more foreigners coming in are probably picturing black and brown faces when they talk about "taking our country back".
Both camps have been disingenuous. Leavers pandering to those fears but unable to deliver a remedy and Remainers dismissing all concerns about immigration as xenophobic or racist. EU migration isn't about race but the racism card has been played repeatedly. White audiences often seem surprised when black and Asian Britons say they want fewer immigrants. [Chuckling_LW.jpg]

Maybe it is proof that we have successfully integrated and feel we belong, or maybe we feel we have more to lose because we are lower down the social pecking order, or maybe it is just because we can air these views without being accused of racism [Probably lel]. All immigrants are not the same. Each wave brings its own unique benefits and challenges. The latest wave has had the unintended effect, or perhaps even intended effect, of whitening-up the immigrant workforce.
It goes hand-in-hand with another, more important, concern, which is assimilation.

For some, a third, fourth or even fifth-generation Pakistani-Briton is more of an outsider than a fresh, off-the-coach [note, today we say fresh off boat] Pole. And as easy and satisfying as it would be to dismiss that view as racist, there is an element of truth to it. Within a generation that Polish immigrant's child wiill be seen as a white Brit, with a slightly exotic name, perhaps, but "one of us" nonetheless, the cultural, religious and racial leap is a smaller one to make from Poland to Britain than Pakistan to Britain.

So if you are a racist you'd probably be better off voting Remain so we can get more white immigrants. And if you're worried about being racist than you should probably vote out so that we can have more non-EU migration. Like everything else about this referendum, it's as clear as mud.

Rashid Razaq
London Evening Standard

Well now, Rashid pretty much summed up the general stuff of everything I ever say

[martinuzz]

In the German city of Viernheim, a heavily armed masked man has bunkered up in a cinema. According to Darmstadter Echo, there could be 20 to 50 people wounded. According to the police, the man entered the library at 15:00 (a little under two hours ago). Police have sealed off the area around the cinema. No further details are known yet.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/-gewapende-man-in-duitse-bioscoop-meerdere-gewonden~a4326263/
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/gesellschaft/schuesse-in-viernheimer-kino-bewaffneter-verschanzt-sich-offenbar-mehrere-verletzte-14304218.html
http://www.echo-online.de/lokales/nachrichten-rhein-neckar/unklare-bedrohungslage-im-kinopolis-in-viernheim-mann-mit-schusswaffen-unterwegs_17018115.htm

[hector13]

English article for the non-German speakers.

[martinuzz]

In other news, sultan Erdogan said today, that he considers asking the people of Turkey in a referendum if they actually want to continue the process of joining the EU.
"we could rise up, and ask the people, just like the British are doing now", he said, expressing frustration about the difficult negotiations with the EU, and the attitude of Brussels.
"We should ask if we should continue those negotiations, or just end them and move on. If the people want us to continue, we'll continue".

[Orange Wizard]

I wish he'd make up his mind on whether he's an autocrat or not

[Sheb]

The gunperson in Viernheim has been shot, the radio said.

[Loud Whispers]

I wish he'd make up his mind on whether he's an autocrat or not

Napoleon showed it's perfectly acceptable to use referendums and not lose autocracy cred

The gunperson in Viernheim has been shot, the radio said.

He didn't kill anybody too
Bit of an odd one

[Antioch]

I have no idea why Turkey would still even want to join the EU, since its rather incompatible with Erdogan playing dictator and I have no idea why the EU would want Turkey to join.

[Sheb]

Well, "the EU" is vague. A bunch of governments, the Germans included have said like 10 years ago they don't want Turkey in. And EU expansion needs a majority. The best reason to want Turkey to complete the membership process is that it'd force Turkey to become more democratic.

[Orange Wizard]

Turkey'd probably be better off joining the Islamic Union or whatever it's called.

[Sheb]

It's already a member.

[Orange Wizard]

Can it join both the EU and the Islamic Union thingy? That seems... counterproductive.

[Kot]

2014 (well, almost 2015) - Donald Tusk becomes President of the European Council.
2016 - European Union starts to fall apart.

We destroyed Communism in 45 years, we will destroy European Union in 15 tops.