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No (flat 0.3E/T/u, break-even times 3T, 5T, 8T, 13T, 19T) (pro: Balances T4-based agents, contra: Takes forever to break even)

6 (33.3%)

Yes (1/3 creation cost/T, break-even times 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T, 3T) (pro: 3x break-even ratio preserved, contra: Low-tier races useless)

2 (11.1%)

Yes ((tier + 1)/3, break-even times 3T, 6T, 8T, 10T, 12T) (pro: Maximizes above two's strengths? contra: Maximizes above two's weaknesses?)

9 (50%)

Yes (other scale posted in thread)

1 (5.6%)

Yes (another scale posted in thread)

0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 18

[Stirk]

I was going for google's definition of depravity...

moral corruption; wickedness.
"a tale of wickedness and depravity"
synonyms:   corruption, vice, perversion, deviance, degeneracy, immorality, debauchery, dissipation, profligacy, licentiousness, lechery, prurience, obscenity, indecency; More
a wicked or morally corrupt act.

See what I meant?

Bolded some of the more problematic parts of that  . Why not just go with "Moral Corruption" or "Wickedness" then?

[darkwarlock3]

I was going for google's definition of depravity...

moral corruption; wickedness.
"a tale of wickedness and depravity"
synonyms:   corruption, vice, perversion, deviance, degeneracy, immorality, debauchery, dissipation, profligacy, licentiousness, lechery, prurience, obscenity, indecency; More
a wicked or morally corrupt act.

See what I meant?

Bolded some of the more problematic parts of that  . Why not just go with "Moral Corruption" or "Wickedness" then?

I italicized What you are referencing, The Synonyms section does NOT count as the definition of the word.

[Stirk]

I was going for google's definition of depravity...

moral corruption; wickedness.
"a tale of wickedness and depravity"
synonyms:   corruption, vice, perversion, deviance, degeneracy, immorality, debauchery, dissipation, profligacy, licentiousness, lechery, prurience, obscenity, indecency; More
a wicked or morally corrupt act.

See what I meant?

Bolded some of the more problematic parts of that  . Why not just go with "Moral Corruption" or "Wickedness" then?

I italicized What you are referencing, The Synonyms section does NOT count as the definition of the word.

No, but they do imply what its meaning is. You aren't going to find a word like "Justice" in a synonym like that, it helps show the connotation the word has. And the real problem with the word is its connotation.

**EDIT**

Also, it kinda does. Synonyms are words with the same/similar meaning  . Which is why they are in the dictionary you referenced in the first place. If they weren't part of defining the word, they wouldn't be there.

[hector13]

Can we not do a morality sphere? There are too many opinions about it for it to really be effective. RP-wise, anyway.

[Rolepgeek]

I don't see why not.

Just have them be deluded as to there being objective grounds for morality, or be the god of moral actions as decided upon by secret sub-universe aggregation mechanism for each race and/or community individually. Or when people feel like they're being moral, with the more strongly they feel that, the more powerful(people do, in fact, take actions which they do not think are necessarily moral, as long as they feel they're justified anyway). And have it be completely unknown to anyone which of these it is so the system can't be gamed.

I also see even my votes are hidden

[Stirk]

I don't see why not.

Just have them be deluded as to there being objective grounds for morality, or be the god of moral actions as decided upon by secret sub-universe aggregation mechanism for each race and/or community individually. Or when people feel like they're being moral, with the more strongly they feel that, the more powerful(people do, in fact, take actions which they do not think are necessarily moral, as long as they feel they're justified anyway). And have it be completely unknown to anyone which of these it is so the system can't be gamed.

I also see even my votes are hidden

Looks like someone is trying to defend being the "God Of Good" again  .

[Rolepgeek]

I don't see your point.

I mostly meant 'can't be gamed' as in 'the god can't make it so they're the god of whatever they feel like' sortsa shenanigans.

[Stirk]

I don't see your point.

I mostly meant 'can't be gamed' as in 'the god can't make it so they're the god of whatever they feel like' sortsa shenanigans.

I'm saying that you wouldn't see the point, because you already played a God with a morality sphere. So any argument you bring up for it just sounds like defending your past actions, especially when we had some arguments back then about what exactly constituted "Good" and the general mild annoyance that went with it. At least, to me it does.

[Andres]

Let's just...stop talking about this please? I don't want to read through another morality flame war.

[Rolepgeek]

You were the only person who seemed to have a problem with it.

I was talking about a morality sphere though; Good I just had him think there was some platonic ideal form of good as a separate plane. I don't really feel the need to defend my actions, I just don't think it's bad to have a god of 'good'. For one thing, it creates the most delightful bickering.

[~Neri]

One can only be as good as their peers judge them.

[hector13]

Let's just...stop talking about this please? I don't want to read through another morality flame war.

I find myself agreeing with Andres. An odd sensation

Sersly, though, please don't do the morality thing again, I'm sorry I brought it up

[Stirk]

Let's just...stop talking about this please? I don't want to read through another morality flame war.

I find myself agreeing with Andres. An odd sensation

Sersly, though, please don't do the morality thing again, I'm sorry I brought it up

Fine. As long as we all acknowledge that this is entirely your fault.

[hector13]

Let's just...stop talking about this please? I don't want to read through another morality flame war.

I find myself agreeing with Andres. An odd sensation

Sersly, though, please don't do the morality thing again, I'm sorry I brought it up

Fine. As long as we all acknowledge that this is entirely your fault.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I find that to be an acceptable state of affairs. If the debate continues, you're at fault.

[Stirk]

...I have no idea what you meant by that quote there  .

And since I have been posting way to much due to boredom, time to make this post more constructive!

Since Humans are out of the way, I might as well finish off the other standard fantasy races, forcing everyone to at least come up with new names  .

Spoiler: Elves (click to show/hide)

Elves

These creatures are often bestial, both in nature and appearance. Their head resembles that of a dog, with as much variety as their are dog species. Inside each of their mouth is large sharp teeth, hiding a massive forked tongue that extends several feet outwards. It is completely prehensile, and used like an arm is used in other races. Its head is connected to the body by a short, solid neck. The body is a quadruped, with four sturdy legs placed where you would expect them to be. Its main body resembles something of a great cat, with the back legs fitting the expected look. Its front arms are more ape-like, massive columns of muscle covered in a thick layer of hair and ending in normal clawed paws. It has a tail much like its tongue, long and forked with the ability to grab things like a hand would, though it is covered in a layer of hair suitable to the body. They have a certain kinship with animals, often domesticating and Training them for a variety of complex tasks.

Tier 4
(Extra Foot*2)(Claws/Shortswords)(Tracking+1)(Strength+2)(Animal Training+1?)

Spoiler: Dwarves (click to show/hide)

Dwarves

Perhaps the most noticeable feature of the Dwarves is their legs, two tall limbs shaped like a spring. The reason this is their most notable feature is that they are used to near-constantly bounce. Any opportunity afforded to them they are in motion, from hopping up and down in the course of normal conversations to bouncing their way across towns to pouncing at enemies. The only time you could catch a still dwarf is when they are sleeping, or when absolutely necessary (such as when planning an ambush). Naturally, the springs are muscles under constant Training, often making them more powerful than even the natural strength imbued in them. Connected to the legs is the torso, which is almost brick-shapped. It also acts as the head, with three raindrop-shaped gems placed in a circle acting as its eyes. The circle itself acts as a mouth, food is placed inside it and simply moves inward with no visible opening. Its arms are springs much like their legs, and almost as active, though they are much thinner in diameter. Seven fingers are at the end of each arm, constructed of tightly-coiled springs that rarely seem to bounce. The flesh of the Dwarves is often mistaken for metal, appearing shiny and in metallic colors from cobalt-blue to bronze to shiny silver. This is incorrect, they are flesh and blood like normal creatures despite their appearance.

Tier 4
(Dodge)(Defense+3*)(Martial Arts)
 [Does this require Defense+2? It doesn't seem to say anywhere])