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Author Topic: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion Thread (spoilers, obviously)  (Read 58137 times)

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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion Thread (spoilers, obviously)
« Reply #480 on: January 18, 2016, 08:44:02 pm »

So am I the only one who found Rei's method/ease of learning the Force to be really stupid?

Nope.

But I rather need to see VIII and IX before I can kinda say whether it was really stupid or really clever.

It's Disney, though, so I expect the former.
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« Reply #481 on: January 18, 2016, 09:00:24 pm »

Yeah, the voice wasn't great. The goggles zooming was shit. But the interaction with other characters, the body language, the vague mysticism, that was good.

Incidentally, thank fucking god they dropped midichlorians like the shit-bomb it was.

Didn't they do that after Episode 1? Like... no more mention of them again ever?
No, they mention it at some point in episode 2 and 3. In episode 3 it is when Palpatine is talking to Anakin in the bubble theater.
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« Reply #482 on: January 18, 2016, 09:15:47 pm »

So am I the only one who found Rei's method/ease of learning the Force to be really stupid?
Nope.
Ditto[/quote]
But I rather need to see VIII and IX before I can kinda say whether it was really stupid or really clever.
[/quote]Ditto[/quote]
It's Disney, though, so I expect the former.
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« Reply #483 on: January 18, 2016, 09:26:30 pm »

Still my favorite lightsaber battle.

Character development.  Well-paced build-up to raw & emotional.  Does this without needing to make the characters so slow & clumsy that I can't see them as having any fighting talent in the context of the Star Wars universe.
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« Reply #484 on: January 18, 2016, 09:30:36 pm »

Still my favorite lightsaber battle.

Character development.  Well-paced build-up to raw & emotional.  Does this without needing to make the characters so slow & clumsy that I can't see them as having any fighting talent in the context of the Star Wars universe.
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« Reply #485 on: January 18, 2016, 09:32:24 pm »

So am I the only one who found Rei's method/ease of learning the Force to be really stupid?

Nope.

Yes, because Luke Skywalker took more than being introduced to the force to start deflecting shots blindfolded and sending a missile down a tube that goes halfway through a moon.

And Anakin Skywalker took more than being around Jedi for a few days to use a starfighter to destroy a large battleship using the force without any actual pilot training whatsoever.

Rey's expertise is exactly in line with the other movies.

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« Reply #486 on: January 18, 2016, 09:46:40 pm »

Oh, and Finn's skill with a lightsaber out of nowhere. When it's been said, time and again, I'm fairly sure, in canon, that it's damn hard to learn how to use a lightsaber without chopping off a limb. Rei's skill too, for that matter, though obviously the Force guides her.

Yes, because Luke Skywalker took more than being introduced to the force to start deflecting shots blindfolded and sending a missile down a tube that goes halfway through a moon.

And Anakin Skywalker took more than being around Jedi for a few days to use a starfighter to destroy a large battleship using the force without any actual pilot training whatsoever.

Rey's expertise is exactly in line with the other movies.
Luke was being trained by Obi Wan; that was not in the middle of a firefight as your choice of words would give the impression of. And even then, it took him a bit, at minimum a few days as far as I'm aware of the timeline working, that's literally just being guided by the force, and learning to be guided by it. Likewise, he had already learned to use an X-wing. That was just the force guiding his shot.

Anakin was in the prequels, guided by Force Fate Edition, something something podracer, and it still showed him bumbling about. (it's been a while since I've seen Phantom Menace, but I also don't remember it being specifically the force).

The others bumble into success; it's improved luck and first steps; they're learning and their potential is being shown. Rei doesn't even get introduced to a Jedi. Resisting mindrape, that's cool and fine and all and I thought if they'd left it at that it would be pretty cool and the same level. Instead, she manages to counter-mindrape, is intrinsically infused with the Light Side and from what I can tell was implied can't use anything but the Light Side, given all the emphasis on her 'cool down, meditate' stuff(her just sorta automatically realizing 'this is how I should do this' is another matter that I get annoyed at), gives a dude a force suggestion on her second try(might be misremembering but I thought a fair part of the point of Obi-Wan doing it was to show that he was old and skilled in the ways of the Jedi)...

She's not even a whiny teenager like Luke was! Her only apparent character flaw was the attachment to her parents, and that appears to have been resolved! Maybe I'm misremembering one movie or another, but if so, please remind me, as it should help me feel better about the franchise half my childhood was spent watching. (obviously the other half was LotR)
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Re: Star Wars: The Force Awakens Discussion Thread (spoilers, obviously)
« Reply #487 on: January 18, 2016, 09:49:44 pm »

I think that we should wait until rey's backstory is revealed.
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« Reply #488 on: January 18, 2016, 09:52:19 pm »

She made a lot of bumbling mistakes early on, most obviously the whole rathtar thing.

Also, she was going to fuckin' murder Kylo Ren before the ground opened up between them. I think the novel explicitly said that was a call to the dark, too.

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« Reply #489 on: January 18, 2016, 09:58:52 pm »

she's not an expert with the lightsaber. neither is finn. finn gets his ass kicked and rey really won mostly because kylo ren kept whacking his injury like an idiot and was too mad to just focus and murder her. plus they were both on the defensive because, you know, literally no lightsaber training and only a tiny bit of experience (for finn, and he still got his ass kicked during that tiny bit of experience).
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« Reply #490 on: January 18, 2016, 10:03:12 pm »

Finn got his ass kicked every time he picked up a lightsaber. He should consider himself fortunate that he didn't accidentally lop off part of his own body some point.
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« Reply #491 on: January 18, 2016, 10:10:56 pm »

she's not an expert with the lightsaber. neither is finn. finn gets his ass kicked and rey really won mostly because kylo ren kept whacking his injury like an idiot and was too mad to just focus and murder her. plus they were both on the defensive because, you know, literally no lightsaber training and only a tiny bit of experience (for finn, and he still got his ass kicked during that tiny bit of experience).

Aye, but against someone who has obviously been trained in the use of the Force? Even the highly trained stormtroopers fall to bits (hoho) when they come up against a Jedi.

She made a lot of bumbling mistakes early on, most obviously the whole rathtar thing.

Also, she was going to fuckin' murder Kylo Ren before the ground opened up between them. I think the novel explicitly said that was a call to the dark, too.

It's always a pain when they have to spell shit out...

Anyway, look technically fell to the dark side (at least) twice during the OT so... yeah.
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« Reply #492 on: January 18, 2016, 10:20:17 pm »

My impression is that Kylo was hitting himself so that the pain would shock him into staying conscious
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« Reply #493 on: January 18, 2016, 10:21:37 pm »

I thought he was doing it for 'look at me, I'm so tough' and partly to channel more of the Dark Side through pain and anger.
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« Reply #494 on: January 18, 2016, 10:25:54 pm »

Finn got his ass kicked every time he picked up a lightsaber. He should consider himself fortunate that he didn't accidentally lop off part of his own body some point.

Yeah, he nearly lost to a goddamn stormtrooper. Really think about that one. He managed to get a hit on Kylo Ren because Kylo Ren thinks he's hot shit and toyed with him for a while before getting scored a bit. Seriously, on rewatch it was sort of obvious, Kylo took less than 20 seconds after that to nearly kill Finn.
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