How would you define butchering the development of the new characters? I've got a general sense of the criticisms levelled at the directions their characters have taken, but I just love hearing other people's perspectives on the matter.
Similar to what Morley set really.
Finn basically decides to fuck off, but unlike Han really has no reason to. His weird fan-love sub-plot is also just terrible.
Rey... Rey is outpacing what little logic there is to the film. Like... she's way too competent for having no training. She doesn't develop emotionally at all. In essence, she's an idiot, but not in a well-written way--she doesn't follow any sort of logic.
Poe has become a reckless idiot when he just wasn't before. Like... did Poe get shot in the head between episodes??? Seriously, his whole character arc is getting back to where he was in TFA.
Kylo is just such a lame character. Like, he's just not bad guy material. It's not the actor's fault--the writing for him is AWFUL.
Hux is cardboard.
Phasma is paper.
Also literally every question or arc set up in EP7 turned out to be a big "Nope. Fuck you." in EP8.
1. I find Finn's initial cowardice to be consistent with everything he's done in TFA. If I were raised and fed propaganda by the First Order every day since childhood, I'd be fucking afraid of them too, and run at every opportunity. It's a nice setup to his "
Rebel Scum." moment.
Also, I did like Rose. Probably for the same reasons that everybody finds her subplot to be terrible, but for me it was fun.
2. I've never really understood where the hate towards Rey's competence comes from. Talent is a genuine thing that some people just have, not to mention in this movie she actually DOES train, on a planet that is exceptionally strong in the Force. On top of that, she's got that Force connection with Kylo ( regardless of
how they are connected ). They're the balance between the Dark and Light side of the Force. "Dark rises, and light to meet it", that's what Snoke said. I like the fact that they're evenly matched.
3. I honestly don't remember Poe
learning anything in TFA. His strategy of "attack, attack, attack" was always present, it's just that now, when the Resistance is on its last bit of rope, does it really start to bite him in the ass. And he does learn in the end.
4. Kylo's a helluva lot better in this movie than in TFA, IMO. I'm really curious where they're going to go with him, seeing as he's taken the first steps towards overcoming his Vader fetish. Smashing the helmet was a good call, Adam Driver's just so much more fun to watch than a faux-Revan mask. The fact that he's humiliated and defeated in this movie serves the same purpose as the many failures of the other main characters; it'll serve as an impetus for him to get better.
Finn fails in his side-mission, learns that defiance of the First Order is better than running away. Poe fails in just about every plan he tries, learns how to be a leader and not a glory-seeking hero. Rey fails to turn Kylo, but gets a better understanding of the Force and what it means to be a jedi.
"Greatest teacher, failure is" is my favourite line throughout this whole movie.
5. True, Hux is a one note character, mainly there for comedy. Fucking love him, plus they're setting the seeds for his betrayal of Kylo in the next movie.
6. Phasma is also less of a character, and more of an embodiment of Finn's fear of what he would become if he stayed in the First Order. To him, she IS the First Order. In a way, she's less of a character and more Finn's Dagobah Cave. And to that purpose, I think she's great.
7. Yeah, this is true
Part of me still wonders if Snoke is still alive, I'd be happy regardless of whether he was alive or dead.
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