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[94dima94]

silly idea but has anyone design a tavern where there's 2 entrances the dwarven one and the one where all the new guests come in where it's decked with weapon traps and sawblades and spikes.
and anyone who survives this gets to drink fine masterpiece dwarven ale?

Do visitors fall to traps?

Also, this would give YOU more trouble, as your dwarves will be forced to haul corpses all time.

I know, who cares about pratical details, do it anyway!

[Dozebôm Lolumzalěs]

Doubt it, but repeating upright spikes would do the trick.

But they would also do the trick to your dwarves, and children, and pets, and diplomats...

[cochramd]

silly idea but has anyone design a tavern where there's 2 entrances the dwarven one and the one where all the new guests come in where it's decked with weapon traps and sawblades and spikes.
and anyone who survives this gets to drink fine masterpiece dwarven ale?

I had a similar idea a while back where the performers did their performances on a bridge and if it was insufficiently amusing the bridge would retract and drop them onto something nasty. Is there a way to do that?

[PatrikLundell]

Probably, given that taverns are areas, so there's nothing to stop you from putting the area on a bridge. Of course, you're going to dump the whole dance floor, but what's a little collateral damage?

[cochramd]

There are some dwarfs in my fort I would really hate to lose, and it doesn't make thematic sense to dump the entire dance floor because one musician sucked.

[Dunamisdeos]

There are some dwarfs in my fort I would really hate to lose, and it doesn't make thematic sense to dump the entire dance floor because one musician sucked.

                     Au Contraire Ho Ho Ho

[cochramd]

Well, if there's only one dancer and she isn't a legendary metalworker, that's one thing.....

[Dunamisdeos]

It's more about having the option, and less about actually doing it. It's comforting to know in case of emergency boredom you can suddenly dump 10 or so unsuspecting peasants into a hostile crocodile pit.

[AceSV]

Observations

So I've got a fortress tavern with a few dozen performers hanging out, but only one of them asks to be made permanent.  Time goes by.  The caravans arrive, and we trade with them oodles of expensive earthenware crafts.  Immediately after completing the trades, about a dozen of the visitors ask to be made permanent.  So I'm guessing that visitor petition rate is tied to exported wealth.  The huge wave of petitions was more than I had beds for, so I don't think the number of beds assigned to your tavern has anything to do with petition rate. 

Also, I'm playing a FuFo game with lots of civilizations.  The farthest civilizations send me lots of visitors.  The civilization near enough to send a caravan doesn't send me any visitors.  However, there is a dark pit civilization that has sieged us twice and sent a few performers as visitors.  I visited the dark pit and dark fortress assigned to that civ in adventure mode and found them completely empty, except for a team of humans who had apparently either conquered the site or reclaimed for themselves.  I'm pretty sure but not completely sure that the abandoned dark fortress belonged to the civ that is now sieging me, except that I didn't think they had any other sites in the area, so it's a bit of a puzzle. 

There is an Ogre civ somewhere, and one time an Ogress Dancer game to visit.  Hilariously, the ogress could not contain herself and smashed a bunch of buildings on the way down to the tavern.  She took a long time standing around next to the buildings before destroying them, as though conflicted about whether or not to give in to her building destroyer instincts.  The militia was dispatched to dispatch her, and no obvious retribution has resulted from the death of the ogress dancer. 

Also, a dwarf poet who joined my leokin fortress had a strange mood and claimed a workshop.  Unfortunately, the game crashed before the poet could finish his artifact.  Or perhaps it crashed because of the artifact. 

[94dima94]

in case of emergency boredom you can suddenly dump 10 or so unsuspecting peasants into a hostile crocodile pit.

This should be in the OOC Thread...

[martinuzz]

Nothing cheers a tavern up more than a few cages filled with naked goblins linked to a happy hour lever.



LATE, UNRELATED EDIT (better than a double post)

A thought just struck me.
I think taverns, and the associated influx of visitors mean, that it now becomes possible to run a vampire fortress without all vampires eventually slowing down to a crawl for lack of blood. Dusk till dawn fortress ahoy! Now if I'd only get a vampire to get things started <EVIL GRIN>

[Innocent Dave]

There are some dwarfs in my fort I would really hate to lose, and it doesn't make thematic sense to dump the entire dance floor because one musician sucked.

With a short enough drop and a soft enough floor, could we be getting closer to the long-sought "party over, back to work" lever?

Of course, you'd need one dwarf available to pull it...

[vjek]

So after much testing, I've had to remove all temples and taverns from my forts. 
I've had a complete season pass with a/some/many dwarf(s) ignoring all pending jobs, when they're the only dwarf Legendary in a particular skill, or the only one with that skill enabled.  Remove the temple/inn/tavern/library and all work gets done immediately.

I like the concept of temples, taverns, inns, and libraries, but when all work ceases due to socializing, prayer, and reading, it's time for them to go. 
I think there will need to be an adjustment in job/task priorities such that when a job is pending, the dwarf is interrupted from their current task, or at least some tie in with personality such that 'average' dwarves will attend to outstanding jobs within an in-game calendar day, rather than spend an entire season drinking or meditating. 
I understand the issues with time stretching in general, in fortress mode, but it's a bit over the top as it is now, in my opinion.

[martinuzz]

So after much testing, I've had to remove all temples and taverns from my forts. 
I've had a complete season pass with a/some/many dwarf(s) ignoring all pending jobs, when they're the only dwarf Legendary in a particular skill, or the only one with that skill enabled.  Remove the temple/inn/tavern/library and all work gets done immediately.

I like the concept of temples, taverns, inns, and libraries, but when all work ceases due to socializing, prayer, and reading, it's time for them to go. 
I think there will need to be an adjustment in job/task priorities such that when a job is pending, the dwarf is interrupted from their current task, or at least some tie in with personality such that 'average' dwarves will attend to outstanding jobs within an in-game calendar day, rather than spend an entire season drinking or meditating. 
I understand the issues with time stretching in general, in fortress mode, but it's a bit over the top as it is now, in my opinion.

Civilian alert burrows are your friend. Remove library / temple / tavern burrows when you really need work done, add them back to the allowed list when your dwarves need socializing / praying  / reading. The only downside is that this does not work for military dwarves, which ignore civilian alerts. And until the polytheism praying bug is fixed, you'll need to disband temples from the locations screen in combination with the civilian alert, and create a new location when you turn them back on. That is not nescessary for taverns and libraries.

[AceSV]

So after much testing, I've had to remove all temples and taverns from my forts. 
I've had a complete season pass with a/some/many dwarf(s) ignoring all pending jobs, when they're the only dwarf Legendary in a particular skill, or the only one with that skill enabled.  Remove the temple/inn/tavern/library and all work gets done immediately.

I like the concept of temples, taverns, inns, and libraries, but when all work ceases due to socializing, prayer, and reading, it's time for them to go. 
I think there will need to be an adjustment in job/task priorities such that when a job is pending, the dwarf is interrupted from their current task, or at least some tie in with personality such that 'average' dwarves will attend to outstanding jobs within an in-game calendar day, rather than spend an entire season drinking or meditating. 
I understand the issues with time stretching in general, in fortress mode, but it's a bit over the top as it is now, in my opinion.

You know you've got that "do task now" button on workshops.  Have you upgraded to 42.03?  I think that problem is less of an issue in the newest upgrade.  There were problems with needs not being fulfilled even when they were taking their time off.